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keane
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Everyone probably knows that Le Monde's publisher Jean-Marie Colombani, wrote we are all Americans but not everyone knows that on that day Colombani also said that the attacks were cause of the US cynism and also said that Bin Laden was created by US intelligence.
By December of 2001 he criticized the US war against the Taliban and said that the US wasn't fit to reform the mideast unless it reformed itself
That was the most famous experession of sympathy and in fact it wasn't anything much |
How are sympathy for a terrible act and truthfulness about how it is handled and why it happened incompatible? It was due to blowback to a degree. The war in Afghanistan HAS been mishandled. The war in raq HAS been mishandled. And bin Ladin WAS partly the creation of the CIA.
Truth bothers you?
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 10:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
Everyone probably knows that Le Monde's publisher Jean-Marie Colombani, wrote we are all Americans but not everyone knows that on that day Colombani also said that the attacks were cause of the US cynism and also said that Bin Laden was created by US intelligence.
By December of 2001 he criticized the US war against the Taliban and said that the US wasn't fit to reform the mideast unless it reformed itself
That was the most famous experession of sympathy and in fact it wasn't anything much |
How are sympathy for a terrible act and truthfulness about how it is handled and why it happened incompatible? It was due to blowback to a degree. The war in Afghanistan HAS been mishandled. The war in raq HAS been mishandled. And bin Ladin WAS partly the creation of the CIA.
Truth bothers you?
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That article was wrtten right after 9-11.
How was Bin Laden a creation of the CIA? How so? |
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sundubuman
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[ It was due to blowback to a degree. The war in Afghanistan HAS been mishandled. The war in raq HAS been mishandled.
Truth bothers you?
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The concept of truth escapes you.
Your opinions are not truth. |
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bejarano-korea
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| Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 9:18 am Post subject: |
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If Americans want to bang on about the rights of 'free speech' then they really have to respect views that differ from their own.
Lots of people all over the world (never mind Europe) thought the same as the Danish broadcaster when it happened.
I know it is a shock that the man who said it is blond and blue eyed an not some bearded raving mullah with a tea towel wrapped around his head but because you think Tony Blair spoke on behalf of our nation that we
support everything he said on 9/11/the invasion of Iraq then you have another think coming. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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If Americans want to bang on about the rights of 'free speech' then they really have to respect views that differ from their own.
Lots of people all over the world (never mind Europe) thought the same as the Danish broadcaster when it happened.
I know it is a shock that the man who said it is blond and blue eyed an not some bearded raving mullah with a tea towel wrapped around his head but because you think Tony Blair spoke on behalf of our nation that we
support everything he said on 9/11/the invasion of Iraq then you have another think coming. |
Sure I respect his right to free speech however it is just more evidence that only the US will look out for the US.
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Lots of people all over the world (never mind Europe) thought the same as the Danish broadcaster when it happened |
Thank you .
That the US had the sympathy of the world after 9-11 was a myth. |
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bejarano-korea
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| Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 9:30 am Post subject: |
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| Sure I respect his right to free speech however it is just more evidence that only the US will look out for the US. |
Which has always been the way. Tell me the last benevolent act the United States has been involved in?
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Thank you .
That the US had the sympathy of the world after 9-11 was a myth. |
Absolutley spot on.
Individuals who worked in the trade centre and rescue workers got sympathy and prayers I'm sure. Did America as a nation get sympathy? Not from my vantage point, no.
If the plane had wiped out the pentagon, not many people would have shed many tears. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 9:33 am Post subject: |
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"bejarano-korea"]
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| Sure I respect his right to free speech however it is just more evidence that only the US will look out for the US. |
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Which has always been the way. Tell me the last benevolent act the United States has been involved in?
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Quite a few . Indonesia. Somalia
That the US had the sympathy of the world after 9-11 was a myth.[/quote]
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Absolutley spot on.
Individuals who worked in the trade centre and rescue workers got sympathy and prayers I'm sure. Did America as a nation get sympathy? Not from my vantage point, no.
If the plane had wiped out the pentagon, not many people would have shed many tears. |
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bejarano-korea
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| Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 9:38 am Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| bejarano-korea wrote: |
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| Sure I respect his right to free speech however it is just more evidence that only the US will look out for the US. |
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Which has always been the way. Tell me the last benevolent act the United States has been involved in?
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Quite a few . Indonesia. Somalia
That the US had the sympathy of the world after 9-11 was a myth. |
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Absolutley spot on.
Individuals who worked in the trade centre and rescue workers got sympathy and prayers I'm sure. Did America as a nation get sympathy? Not from my vantage point, no.
If the plane had wiped out the pentagon, not many people would have shed many tears. |
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Somalia - the country where you were sent packing after six months. And I think the forces of Pakistan, Italy, Australia etc might want some recogniton also.
Indonesia - Their political reforms had nothing to do with themselves I take it. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 9:40 am Post subject: |
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| bejarano-korea wrote: |
| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| bejarano-korea wrote: |
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| Sure I respect his right to free speech however it is just more evidence that only the US will look out for the US. |
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Which has always been the way. Tell me the last benevolent act the United States has been involved in?
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Quite a few . Indonesia. Somalia
That the US had the sympathy of the world after 9-11 was a myth. |
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Absolutley spot on.
Individuals who worked in the trade centre and rescue workers got sympathy and prayers I'm sure. Did America as a nation get sympathy? Not from my vantage point, no.
If the plane had wiped out the pentagon, not many people would have shed many tears. |
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Somalia - the country where you were sent packing after six months. And I think the forces of Pakistan, Italy, Australia etc might want some recogniton also.
Indonesia - Their political reforms had nothing to do with themselves I take it. |
The US was in Somalia longer than 6 months
Indonesia tsunami
I don't see a lot of countries doing better. |
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bejarano-korea
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| Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 9:58 am Post subject: |
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| The US was in Somalia longer than 6 months |
They weren't there long and left it in a worse state than before (if you could ever think that possible)
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Indonesia tsunami
I don't see a lot of countries doing better. |
The whole world helped! It is good that your delusional selves are going to take all the credit for helping the people affected in the tsunami just like winning WW2. Nice one!  |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 10:07 am Post subject: |
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[quote="bejarano-korea"][
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| They weren't there long and left it in a worse state than before (if you could ever think that possible) |
How was it left in a worse state
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Indonesia tsunami
I don't see a lot of countries doing better. |
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The whole world helped! It is good that your delusional selves are going to take all the credit for helping the people affected in the tsunami just like winning WW2. Nice one! |
Who help in Indonesia more than the US?
There was also the Pakistan earth quake.
good at getting in a shot at the US about WW II.
But thanks you just help my case that the US has got to do what it can to be in the best position possible and that the UN is not going to protect the US if anything the UN is more likely to protect the enemies of the US. |
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bejarano-korea
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| Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 1:00 pm Post subject: |
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They weren't there long and left it in a worse state than before (if you could ever think that possible)
How was it left in a worse state |
Those two bob warlords and thugs took credit for seeing off the US military and they became the law on the back of it. It is now a pirate state
Indonesia tsunami
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| I don't see a lot of countries doing better. |
We all did our share there, the US did its share in line with it being the worlds no1 superpower but I think (and I maybe wrong) that the Saudis gave more relief than the US.
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The whole world helped! It is good that your delusional selves are going to take all the credit for helping the people affected in the tsunami just like winning WW2. Nice one!
good at getting in a shot at the US about WW II. |
You helped Europe in WW2, but you saved neither ourS or the Russians arse. We Brits should be eternally grateful to the Commonwealth especially India (the biggest ever volunteer army fought in WW2) and Canada.
But I for one appreciate your part in liberating Europe so cheers!
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| But thanks you just help my case that the US has got to do what it can to be in the best position possible and that the UN is not going to protect the US if anything the UN is more likely to protect the enemies of the US. |
You are right of course but you see yourselves as great benefactors when the rest of the world do not. Well apart from Israel of course!
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bejarano-korea
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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[quote="bejarano-korea"]
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They weren't there long and left it in a worse state than before (if you could ever think that possible)
How was it left in a worse state |
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Those two bob warlords and thugs took credit for seeing off the US military and they became the law on the back of it. It is now a pirate state
Indonesia tsunami |
That doesn't mean it was worse. Before the US came there was mass starvation
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| We all did our share there, the US did its share in line with it being the worlds no1 superpower but I think (and I maybe wrong) that the Saudis gave more relief than the US. |
No they didn't. Certainly not at the begining.
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"Generally speaking, people [here] are quite disappointed" about the Arab reaction, says Azyumardi Azra, rector of Indonesia's State Islamic University.
"The West responded quickly. They [the Arab world] have been pretty slow," says Nasrullah Djamaluddin, chief imam of Indonesia's Istiqlal Mosque in Jakarta, the largest in Southeast Asia. "But we happily accept all help," he adds. |
http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0112/p04s01-wome.html
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01/08/2005 15:57
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Tsunami: Little aid from Arab countries
Riyadh (AsiaNews/Agencies) – Many Arab media commentators are harshly critical of the governments of rich Arab states because of their stingy response to the tsunami catastrophe. Although their development was largely made possible by an influx of millions of Asian workers, they have thus far donated US$ 113 million in aid out of a total of US$ 3.7 billion pledged by the international community.
A telethon in Saudi Arabia that ended yesterday morning raised US$ 83 million in private donations. During the televised fund-raising event, scholars repeatedly told viewers that "Islam promotes charity" and that "it was the duty of every Muslim to help the poor and the needy".
Saudi watchers have been critical of the government which, despite being the largest oil-exporter, reaping the benefit of high oil prices and employing thousands of Asian workers, has not been terribly generous in its aid to tsunami-stricken countries.
Stung, government officials have baulked at the criticism stating that US$ 30 million plus tons of food, medicines and other aid are "generous" in terms of the country's population and economy.
Neighbouring rich United Arab Emirates have donated "only" US$ 20 million, Qatar, 25, and Bahrain, 2, this despite the fact that these countries' workforces are largely made up of Pakistanis, Indians, Indonesians and Sri Lankans, who are often exploited to a point that comes close to slavery.
Mohamed Ali al-Harfy, an editorial writer with the Saudi daily al-Watan, said: "The sum is very weak compared to the size of the catastrophe and the riches of Gulf countries. There is no convincing answer as to why they haven't donated more".
King Fahd, Crown Prince Abdullah and other dignitaries of the kingdom donated about US$ 10 million to the telethon. Prince Alwaleed bin Talal, a rich billionaire, donated money, tents and clothing worth US$ 19 million.
However, economists point out that a better cash flow due to higher oil prices does not necessarily mean more disposable income for governments like that of Saudi Arabia which said it would put the revenue towards reducing its 3 billion public debt and financing development projects to create much-needed jobs for Saudis. In fact, unemployment in the kingdom is currently high and the authorities are facing a terrorist campaign by Islamic fundamentalists tied to al-Qaeda. |
http://www.asianews.it/index.php?art=2290&l=en
The fact is the US has done more than most. And always has.
And anyway our this thread is just a some more info about why the US is going to have to look out for itself. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 6:37 pm Post subject: |
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Nope the US had forces there until October 1993
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| The US had forces there until After the Battle of Mogadishu the 1st Battalion, 64th Armored Regiment of the 24th Infantry Division based at Fort Stewart, Georgia was sent to restore and maintain order in Mogadishu. This deployment, under the name Task Force Rogue, established Victory Base in the west of the city in October 1993. With the use of heavy tanks and a strong overt military presence a semblance of order was maintained in Mogadishu until President Clinton, under pressure from Congress, ended the US deployment in Somali |
That would make it 10 months |
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