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keane
Joined: 09 Jul 2007
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| so too will Petraeus continue to enjoy the Senate's unanimous support in public. |
You're in the US and don't bother reading the news? Unanimous support? Idiocy.
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| Weasels like you will sneer at and slander them |
He was not slandered unless his superior is a liar. Not likely. Who with this administration has NOT been shown to be a liar? And any critique came from his superior, not me. Still can't accept it? Not a surprise, intellectually dishonest one.
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| from the shadows on obscure internet fora and, |
You hypocritical child. Where are your particulars posted? What kind of fool repeats self-incriminating tripe?
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| for those far more powerful than you, anonymously through the press. |
WHAT anonymity? His superior has spoken, his name is known, shameless one. Lying is bad. Don't lie.
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| But at the end of the day, that is all you have got: you hide. |
See above, hypocrite.
You used to at least mount a defense.
Consider school dismissed. |
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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 4:13 am Post subject: |
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Ya-Ta Boy imagined:
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| This was far less common than pro-war types would have you believe. A good many of the protest leaders, like Kerry, were former soldiers themselves. There were Vets Against the War chapters on every campus I was aware of. |
Keep smokin' that weed. Whatever you believe yourself to be aware of comes from hearsay, I'm sure. Unlike you, I was in college at the time, and at one the most activist in the nation. Many protestors hardly needed an excuse to resort to violence; some were hardly better than your common street punk itching for a fight. Most got their rocks off confronting the police, taunting them, and testing their nerve. Many of the most visible and vocal leaders of the present "peace" movement are of the same ilk. They're not all the quiet Quaker resisters you imagine them to be.
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| For a guy who claims to be American, you sure do show little or no concern for what goes on within your borders, don't you? |
And, how, Mr. One-Piston-Firing, tell did you arrive at this conclusion? You don't know squat about the extent of my national concerns. Since you're not American, I will take everything you say with a grain of salt.
Let me pose a DIRECT question to you keane: Do you believe that moveon.org was entirely fair in its characterization of Petraeus and how they reported his recent activities? If so, why? |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 4:40 am Post subject: |
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| Unlike you, I was in college at the time |
So was I, Stevie. Started in Sept. '67. Forty years ago next week. |
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The_Conservative
Joined: 15 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 4:52 pm Post subject: |
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"He has been called on it?"
What are you talking about? Craigslist? ROFL. That remains the most pathectic cite I have ever seen. |
Pathetic. Of three citations, you choose one? Pathetic. Got anything showing the opinion of his superior is NOT as stated, prevaricator?
Didn't think so.
You are irrelevant. You've no spine. No merit. No mettle. Truth runs through you like water through a sieve. You can't even bring yourself to address the import of his superior calling him on his bull. You must pull out the weakest argument of all, that of the smallest of minds: the straw man. "It's not true cause it was seen on Craig's list!" Nevermind Craig's List is not the origin of the quotes.
And the next weakest: but he was confirmed! What in hell has that got to do with the price of tea in China? Nothing. This is the same legislature that has continued to let BushCheney pork them up the rear. Your heroes, those spineless legislators.
And let us just look at the facts: who does Bush choose and do you defend? The one who kisses Bush's ass like a pro, not the one that says let's get the hell out of Iraq and go after Al Queda.
You have no merit. You are a shell and a shill. Your pretensions at centrism are a joke. A centrist would say go get Al Queda, get out of Iraq, work with the global community to stabilize Iraq and begin a real dialogue with Iran and stop the saber rattling.
You are intellectually dishonest, as well as simply dishonest.
And people wonder why English teachers in Korea have a bad rep. |
For someone who claims not to be EFL...you sure are sounding an awful lot like him. Good show though you managed to put up a front of seeming civility for all of two months. The next time you are perma-banned and return yet again, let's see if we can make it through three months of civility and the next time after that four and so on...hmm?
As regards Petraeus and Fallon, there is bad blood between the two. OF COURSE Fallon is going to give him a bad rap. No surprise there, just as there would be no surprise that only the Left takes Fallon seriously on this issue. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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spliff
Joined: 19 Jan 2004
Location: Khon Kaen, Thailand
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| Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 8:17 pm Post subject: |
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I for one say "GIVE ME MORE"  |
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The_Conservative
Joined: 15 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 11:21 pm Post subject: |
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And people wonder why English teachers in Korea have a bad rep. |
No wonder if the way you behave in the classroom is anything like the way you have conducted yourself on this thread.
Tell me something, are you actually a teacher here?
And if you are do you call your students "A shell and a shill" for not agreeing with you? |
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keane
Joined: 09 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 1:37 am Post subject: |
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| For someone who claims not to be EFL...you sure are sounding an awful lot like him. Good show though you managed to put up a front of seeming civility for all of two months. |
Since you've never even tried a single month, why are you throwing stones, friend? I am tied of the C/N-C hypocrisy.
It bores me. It disgusts me.
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| As regards Petraeus and Fallon, there is bad blood between the two. |
WHY? Because of the issues discussed. You can't follow the thread without being led by the hand?
The "bad blood" did not cause the comments, the "bad blood" IS what Fallon was talking about. They disagreed about whether Petraeus should be a sycopantic career chaser or a general. Fallon chose sycophant. That IS the cause of the bad blood.
If you don't understand this, why are you posting?
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| OF COURSE Fallon is going to give him a bad rap. No surprise there, just as there would be no surprise that only the Left takes Fallon seriously on this issue. |
You absorb the talking points just fine, bushie. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 1:42 am Post subject: |
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BLT: I no longer think getting a ticket and protesting might be your best course of action.
Rather, I think you might want to consider the benefits of attending John Kerry's next university talk. Do stay for the question-and-answer session please. And be sure to voice your concerns to him. |
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keane
Joined: 09 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 1:45 am Post subject: |
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keane wrote:
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| For a guy who claims to be American, you sure do show little or no concern for what goes on within your borders, don't you? |
And, how, Mr. One-Piston-Firing, tell did you arrive at this conclusion? |
Simple: your own words. Or lack of them. When given a chance, by me, to address issues in America, you simply refused to do so.
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| You don't know squat about the extent of my national concerns. |
I do. I know you won't address them when given the chance and that to the extent you do address them, you are a walking talking point. What more do I need to know?
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| Since you're not American, I will take everything you say with a grain of salt. |
Yes, because where a person is from is the only determinant of whether they can speak intelligently on an issue.
Brilliant logic. 
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| Let me pose a DIRECT question to you keane: Do you believe that moveon.org was entirely fair in its characterization of Petraeus and how they reported his recent activities? If so, why? |
Fair question. Haven't seen the ad yet. I know that based on what Fallon had to say, Petraeus is weak and not fit for command. A military leader is only useful if he will speak his own mind regardless of the consequences. The president is rarely a qualified military person - ever more true in this case - which means the commanders must stand their ground. If Petraeus' ground was already that of BushCheney's, then he is just as unfit because he's a damned fool.
If the above reflects what MoveOn said, then I agree.
I'll try to catch the video and let you know.
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 1:46 am Post subject: |
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keane
Joined: 09 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 1:48 am Post subject: |
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BLT: I no longer think getting a ticket and protesting might be your best course of action.
Rather, I think you might want to consider the benefits of attending John Kerry's next university talk. Do stay for the question-and-answer session please. And be sure to voice your concerns to him. |
Agreed. I've heard that Kerry doesn't believe in Peak Oil. We could prepare a long list of questions to ask.
When I think of efl typing, I've the mental image of ignatius reilly pounding away on an old typewriter. Quite amusing. |
The straw man is the weapon of weak minds. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 1:52 am Post subject: |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 1:57 am Post subject: |
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BLT: I no longer think getting a ticket and protesting might be your best course of action.
Rather, I think you might want to consider the benefits of attending John Kerry's next university talk. Do stay for the question-and-answer session please. And be sure to voice your concerns to him. |
Are we sure he's not already done that..? |
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keane
Joined: 09 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 2:07 am Post subject: |
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| I've heard that Kerry doesn't believe in Peak Oil. |
We are all peakists now - Schlesinger
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Posted on Monday, September 17th, 2007
Former US Energy Secretary Dr James Schlesinger today claimed that the intellectual arguments over peak oil had been won, and that in effect �we are all peakists now�. In the keynote speech at the first day of an oil depletion conference hosted by the Association for the Study of Peak Oil in Cork, Schlesinger said that oil industry executives now privately concede that the world faces an imminent oil production peak, and argued that a recent report by the US oil industry grouping the National Petroleum Council constituted �a backdoor admission that in the next decade or two we face a moment of truth�. In a wide-ranging interview with Lastoilshock.com, Dr Schlesinger - who was also Defence Secretary and CIA Director - explains why he thinks �the battle is over, the peakists have won�, and discusses the delusions of US energy policy, Iraq, Iran and $100 oil. |
The ASPO Conference -First Morning
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| As Dr. James Schlesinger, the first Secretary of Energy, said in his Opening Address, the battle is over, Peak Oil is now accepted as inevitable, and the debate only becomes as to when. We have �won� and need to learn to take Yes! as an answer. He spoke mainly of three things � the arrival of the Peak and the recognition that is starting to grow, and to mean that we are no longer lone voices crying in the Wilderness. Trade and government publications are already acceding with back-door concessions that we are facing a moment of truth. He paid tribute to Colin Campbell�s dictum that �before you produce it, you have to develop it�, and reminded us of the gap in matching discoveries as the old fields die out. Having been there, he told of the oil industry laughing when President Carter discussed renewable energy back in 1979. Back then �conservation was not the American way, production was the American way.� But now, to sustain production we need to find 4 or 5 fields the size of all those in Saudi Arabia. It is not going to happen, but before we celebrate, remember that there are political and technical realities. And, as the day wore on, the mercilessness of the numbers began to be apparent. |
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