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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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 Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 11:12 pm Post subject: Teachers' salaries and experience matters? |
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Annual Teachers' Salaries (in equivalent US dollars converted using PPPs)
Korea
1. Starting salary: 30,183
2. Salary after 15 years experience: 51,641
3. Salary at the top of scale: 82,915
OECD average
1. Starting salary: 27,723
2. Salary after 15 years experience: 37,603
3. Salary at the top of scale: 45,666
EU19 average
1. Starting salary: 28,311
2. Salary after 15 years experience: 37,762
3. Salary at the top of scale: 45,739
For Korea, the ratio of salary after 15 years of experience to GDP per capita is 2.33.
Source:
What are teacher salaries?
Education at a Glance 2007, OECD
http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/36/1/39290909.xls |
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Draz
Joined: 27 Jun 2007
Location: Land of Morning Clam
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| Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 1:40 pm Post subject: |
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| I want to know who is making 80k a year as a teacher. |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 2:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Draz wrote: |
| I want to know who is making 80k a year as a teacher. |
Most foreign English teachers are treated like assistants. Teaching experience for foreigners is almost worthless.
Even if foreign teachers have 15 years of teaching experience, they may receive the same salary as someone with 2 years teaching experience. Credentials, experience, and advanced degrees are not necessarily recognized or rewarded for foreign teachers.
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marlow
Joined: 06 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 4:07 pm Post subject: Re: Teachers' salaries and experience matters? |
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| Real Reality wrote: |
Korea
1. Starting salary: 30,183
2. Salary after 15 years experience: 51,641
3. Salary at the top of scale: 82,915
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Since the won is nearly on par with the American dollar, does this mean that just the basic starting monthly salary for Korean teachers is 2.5M, or does this include severance, pension, overtime, et cetera.
Level 1+ EPIK gets 2.5M. With five years experience, I should be getting closer to 3.0M. |
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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 5:09 am Post subject: |
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Becoming a Korean teacher is very difficult. Its not like anyone can become a teacher with a master's degree or teaching certificate.
The examination to become a teacher is very difficult. Why do accountants in the US make so much money? Its because its hard as hell to get a CPA. Why do lawyers make so much money? Its hard as hell to pass the bar. |
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jay-shi
Joined: 09 May 2004
Location: On tour
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| Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 5:12 am Post subject: |
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| Draz wrote: |
| I want to know who is making 80k a year as a teacher. |
The ones that do won't advertise it and they sure as hell aren't going to tell you how.  |
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marlow
Joined: 06 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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| pkang0202 wrote: |
Becoming a Korean teacher is very difficult. Its not like anyone can become a teacher with a master's degree or teaching certificate.
The examination to become a teacher is very difficult. |
Probably most of the senior, top-pay-level teachers didn't do the big exam so famous now. I heard it started in '86 or '87. I may be wrong. |
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richardlang
Joined: 21 Jan 2007
Location: Gangnam
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| Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 6:37 pm Post subject: |
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2,000,000 (salary) x 12 (months) = 24,000,000 million
+ 400,000 (paid rent) x 12 (months) = 4,800,000 million
= 28,800,000 million
So we're getting paid roughly the same salary as beginning Korean English teachers. My rent is actually over 400,000. Go figure. |
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oldfatfarang
Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: On the road to somewhere.
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| Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 12:51 am Post subject: |
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| richardlang wrote: |
2,000,000 (salary) x 12 (months) = 24,000,000 million
+ 400,000 (paid rent) x 12 (months) = 4,800,000 million
= 28,800,000 million
So we're getting paid roughly the same salary as beginning Korean English teachers. My rent is actually over 400,000. Go figure. |
Plus free airfares, and if you work for the govt: a 300,000 settlement allowance, and a re-signing package of free return flights home and 10 days paid holiday. That brings up back to K teachers starting wage.
Plus, many Western public school school teachers make upward of 2 mil so that brings them right up to K teachers starting wage.
The trouble is - there's no proper annual wage rise to compensate for experience, qualifications/education, or inflation - just a 100,000 won per month rise (if you work public service). So after 1 or 2 years the Western teachers are definately not getting paid on a par with their Korean colleagues. |
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Korlingus
Joined: 01 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 2:46 am Post subject: |
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So Real Reality, you've been in Korea for a few years. What prevents you from returning to the land of milk and honey? Too much time in a dead-end job? Sheer laziness? A weak resume? What? What have you done to improve your situation?
Your continual whining and citing of English language internet news gets old. Most of the "news" you post is mistranslated Korean news items that were probably sketchy at best in their native context. |
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richardlang
Joined: 21 Jan 2007
Location: Gangnam
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| Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 3:10 am Post subject: |
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| Korlingus wrote: |
| Your continual whining and citing of English language internet news gets old. Most of the "news" you post is mistranslated Korean news items that were probably sketchy at best in their native context. |
No, this is not true at all. Obviously, you haven't read them or given them proper appreciation. Real Reality is informing everyone on this forum of the severe non-parity that foreigners experience here in areas of BASIC human treatment. That's what it comes down to.
I don't understand how so many people, especially some foreigners, glibly give a pass to the treatment of foreigners as subhumans here. It reminds me of the debates W. E. B. Du Bois and Booker T. Washington had.
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 3:10 am Post subject: |
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| Korlingus wrote: |
So Real Reality, you've been in Korea for a few years. What prevents you from returning to the land of milk and honey? Too much time in a dead-end job? Sheer laziness? A weak resume? What? What have you done to improve your situation?
Your continual whining and citing of English language internet news gets old. Most of the "news" you post is mistranslated Korean news items that were probably sketchy at best in their native context. |
Assumptions? Where do you think I am from? |
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Korlingus
Joined: 01 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 4:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Real Reality wrote: |
| Korlingus wrote: |
So Real Reality, you've been in Korea for a few years. What prevents you from returning to the land of milk and honey? Too much time in a dead-end job? Sheer laziness? A weak resume? What? What have you done to improve your situation?
Your continual whining and citing of English language internet news gets old. Most of the "news" you post is mistranslated Korean news items that were probably sketchy at best in their native context. |
Assumptions? Where do you think I am from? |
My assumption is that you remain in Korea, and whine constantly about the inequities some foreigners face while employed by Koreans. What is keeping you in Korea? What steps have you taken to improve your situation? My assumption is that you earn more in Korea than you could back home, yet still less that of the average Korean, and that fact chaffs your ass. Do I assume correctly? |
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Korlingus
Joined: 01 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 3:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Real Reality, you still haven't told me if my assumptions were correct! |
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