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mervsdamun
Joined: 06 Jun 2006
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 Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 10:35 pm Post subject: New Zealand Police shocker |
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So, not long ago there was a discussion of how backward things are in New Zealand. Well here I am, traveling around this country and there is a huge story here. It�s also big in Australia.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7003988.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/default.stm
A little girl from Auckland, New Zealand if found in Melbourne, Australia. Video evidence shows she was abandoned there by her father who had a reputation as lunatic and as it turns out was on his way to LA.
In mean time, a search for her missing mother starts in New Zealand. Given the fact that her husband is a both a lunatic and martial arts expert, there were understandable fears that something bad may have happened.
Unfortunately the worst happened and her body was found in the trunk of the car, outside her house.
The problem is this:
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Ms Liu's body was discovered in the boot of a car yesterday afternoon and police have copped extensive criticism for taking two days to search the car, which was parked outside the Mt Roskill home she shared with her husband and three-year-old daughter.
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There are photos in the newspapers from two days ago of the car with the policemen standing next to it. But it took them 45 hours to actually look in that car where the body was discovered.
The poor woman could�ve still been alive
See here for video
http://tv3.co.nz/VideoBrowseAll/NationalVideo/tabid/309/articleID/35130/Default.aspx#video |
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dirty_scraps83
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| Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 11:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Kiwi cops eh? too busy handing out tickets or beating the crap out of teens to care about some Asian in the boot of a car |
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spliff
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| Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 11:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Sorry...but there was no indication that she had been harmed. Don't understand all the fuss. A (short time) missing person isn't assumed dead. |
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dalpengi
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| Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 11:24 pm Post subject: |
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Why?
This was written two days before the body was found, with some admissions by the police...
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Auckland Police have confirmed a long history of Domestic Violence between the couple with protection orders being placed in the past twelve months.
Nobody is saying it outright, but the implication is that something has happened to Anan Liu. Friends have stated that she would not willingly leave or give up her daughter. National MP Pansy Wong has put out a call through the Chinese media to call with information. Mr Xue�s acquaintances have stated that they know of no reason why he would be going to the US.
A car belonging to Anan Liu was found today at Auckland�s International Airport, however there is nothing to suggest that she has left the country, cctv footage at Auckland International Airport show Mr Xue and Qian alone. Police now hold grave concerns for the safety of Anan Liu.
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Common, the martial arts psycho with history of abusing his partners is captured on a camera, with a suitcase in one hand, abandoning his daughter at an airport, on his way to Los Angeles. All this while the wife is no where to be found... |
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Alan Partidge
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| Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 11:33 pm Post subject: |
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You're quite bitter about NZ, aren't you dalpengi?
I'm not defending the NZ Police, but they did say that they had to get a search warrant for the car otherwise anything found in it would be useless in court.
Are you suggesting that they do random raids on all couples that have a record of domestic violence to pre-empt this kind of thing.
You're clutching at straws. |
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dalpengi
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| Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 11:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Alan Partidge wrote: |
You're quite bitter about NZ, aren't you dalpengi?
I'm not defending the NZ Police, but they did say that they had to get a search warrant for the car otherwise anything found in it would be useless in court.
Are you suggesting that they do random raids on all couples that have a record of domestic violence to pre-empt this kind of thing.
You're clutching at straws. |
I'm not bitter at NZ but such sloppy attitude is all too common in NZ. Please don't make this about me.
See the interview with the QC on the TV3 website (there is a link in the OP). He said given the scope of the cases, probably no search warrant would've been required. And even if it had, again, given the scope of the case, one could�ve been obtained in a mater of minutes.
Not 45 hours.
Anyone defending the police is is clutching at straws. |
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dalpengi
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Alan Partidge
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| Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 11:51 pm Post subject: |
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How would that have prevented her murder though?
If what you say is correct, then yes they have been pretty hopeless. |
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dalpengi
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| Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 11:54 pm Post subject: |
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| At this stage it is unknown what condition she was in at the time the police showed up. Fears have been raised that she may have been still alive in the boot of the car. I hope that wasn't the case. |
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dirty_scraps83
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| Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 12:00 am Post subject: |
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| well to be perfectly honest, the cop's get it right most of the time. the fact that there's a huge uproar when they don't is testament to their usual efficacy in murder cases. signs of a good transparent and accountable system |
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igotthisguitar
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| Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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| spliff wrote: |
Sorry...but there was no indication that she had been harmed. Don't understand all the fuss.
A (short time) missing person isn't assumed dead. |
for what it's worth, i kinda agree with the Spliffer here.
Assuming she intiallty was in the boot (and not placed there during the night ... by someone, for some reason e.g.)
was she calling for help?
If not, why? |
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spliff
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| Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 5:30 pm Post subject: |
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| for what it's worth, i kinda agree with the Spliffer here. |
For what it's worth, you're a smart one for doing so...  |
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mervsdamun
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| Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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| igotthisguitar wrote: |
| spliff wrote: |
Sorry...but there was no indication that she had been harmed. Don't understand all the fuss.
A (short time) missing person isn't assumed dead. |
for what it's worth, i kinda agree with the Spliffer here.
Assuming she intiallty was in the boot (and not placed there during the night ... by someone, for some reason e.g.)
was she calling for help?
If not, why? |
You really should reread what has been written above.
Her husband with a history of abusing his partners abandons their daughter in Melbourne, on his way to LA.
Couple days later, during the first visit to the house (45 hours prior to discovering the body in the car that was that was standing outside) she was already classified as a missing person. The police should be leaving no stone unturned searching for her, as by that stage it was feared something bad had happened to her, given her husband�s track record.
It�s not clear yet what actually happened to her but just imagine that she was just badly beaten up and left suffocating in the boot of the car over a period of days. Also imagine the police standing next to the car, photographed scratching their asses while she could hear them but could not yell out for help because of her condition or because she was gagged.
Now that�s the worst case scenario and hopefully this wasn�t the case. However, this doesn�t mean the police were not in gross breach of their duty to search for this woman. |
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igotthisguitar
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| Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 6:14 pm Post subject: |
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| mervsdamun wrote: |
It�s not clear yet what actually happened to her but just imagine that she was just badly beaten up and left suffocating in the boot of the car over a period of days. Also imagine the police standing next to the car, photographed scratching their asses while she could hear them but could not yell out for help because of her condition or because she was gagged.
Now that�s the worst case scenario and hopefully this wasn�t the case. However, this doesn�t mean the police were not in gross breach of their duty to search for this woman. |
Just imagine eh? That's how it all unfolded?
Case closed?
You've presented a scenarfio & speculated a good deal, yet what undeniable proof do we see of anything?
What can we prove other than:
1) A woman is dead.
2) Her expired corpse was discovered stashed in her car a few days after she was reported missing.
Questions:
1 ) In what condition was she found? Gagged as you ... imagined? Cut, bloodied, bruised?
2 ) Was the car under strict 24 hour surveillance in the lead up to her body being discovered placed in the trunk? |
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xtchr
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| Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 7:34 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="mervsdamun
Her husband with a history of abusing his partners abandons their daughter in Melbourne, on his way to LA.
Couple days later, during the first visit to the house (45 hours prior to discovering the body in the car that was that was standing outside) she was already classified as a missing person. The police should be leaving no stone unturned searching for her, as by that stage it was feared something bad had happened to her, given her husband�s track record.
It�s not clear yet what actually happened to her but just imagine that she was just badly beaten up and left suffocating in the boot of the car over a period of days. Also imagine the police standing next to the car, photographed scratching their asses while she could hear them but could not yell out for help because of her condition or because she was gagged.
Now that�s the worst case scenario and hopefully this wasn�t the case. However, this doesn�t mean the police were not in gross breach of their duty to search for this woman.[/quote]
Just imagine that you park your car on the side of the street anywhere in NZ. Now just imagine your fury if you discovered that police decided to open the boot because 'they were looking for someone'. I can just imagine your outburst then.
You can't have it both ways. Either the police follow procedure and get a warrant to enable them to search private propery, or they are free to inspect whatever and whenever they choose.
Just imagine. |
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