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mithridates
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 Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 7:08 pm Post subject: Polite way to remind dinner companions about typing |
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| What's the best way to bring up the subject of qwerty vs. dvorak at the dinner table without being offensive? |
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Masta_Don
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| Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 7:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Post about it on the internet! |
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jadarite
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| Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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| What exactly does the title mean? You don't want them typing at your dinner table? And what's with the message? You want them to play Dvorak's music while eating? |
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normalcyispasse
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| Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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| You might want to arrange the foods in such a fashion that the meat is far away from the sauce, and then suggest that eating might be more efficient if the more commonly-used items were more sensibly grouped. |
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Big_Bird
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| Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 8:51 pm Post subject: |
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| You'd think now, they could invent a keyboard where the keys displayed the appropriate order of letters, depending on whether you were using a dvorak or qwerty program. |
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normalcyispasse
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| Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 10:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Big_Bird wrote: |
| You'd think now, they could invent a keyboard where the keys displayed the appropriate order of letters, depending on whether you were using a dvorak or qwerty program. |
Ask and you shall receive:
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/247/1/ |
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Big_Bird
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| Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 10:58 pm Post subject: |
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| normalcyispasse wrote: |
| Big_Bird wrote: |
| You'd think now, they could invent a keyboard where the keys displayed the appropriate order of letters, depending on whether you were using a dvorak or qwerty program. |
Ask and you shall receive:
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/247/1/ |
Just checked it out. Cool!  |
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mithridates
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Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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| Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 1:11 am Post subject: |
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| normalcyispasse wrote: |
| You might want to arrange the foods in such a fashion that the meat is far away from the sauce, and then suggest that eating might be more efficient if the more commonly-used items were more sensibly grouped. |
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Big_Bird
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| Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 1:14 am Post subject: |
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| mithridates wrote: |
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| You might want to arrange the foods in such a fashion that the meat is far away from the sauce, and then suggest that eating might be more efficient if the more commonly-used items were more sensibly grouped. |
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I didn't see that, perhaps because I myself was posting as it was posted. Bloody good answer normalcyispasse!
I'd be interested to know how easy it would be to retrain oneself to use dvorak after years of touch typing with qwerty - anyone had any experience of this? |
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monkeh
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| Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 1:33 am Post subject: |
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I have a friend who switched from QWERTY to COLEMAK - from what he said the first week was the most difficult, but he's loving it now. Kinda like smoking I guess, I smoked for 10 years but the really difficult part of giving it up was the first week  |
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Big_Bird
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| Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 1:41 am Post subject: |
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| monkeh wrote: |
| I have a friend who switched from QWERTY to COLEMAK - from what he said the first week was the most difficult, but he's loving it now. Kinda like smoking I guess, I smoked for 10 years but the really difficult part of giving it up was the first week |
It's not quite like smoking though! It tooks me weeks of practice to learn to touch type in qwerty, and then months to build up a lot of speed, and now after years and years it's become an ingrained habit. I type effortlessly, my responses are automatic. But switching to another keyboard arrangement would mean unlearning those automatic responses.
Curious to know if your friend was a touch typist or a two finger merchant? |
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monkeh
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| Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 2:03 am Post subject: |
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| Curious to know if your friend was a touch typist or a two finger merchant? |
I know he uses all his fingers and talks about home keys, and I don't think he changed the physical labelling of the keys when he started, so I'll assume he was a touch typist.
Like you say, QWERTY is something so ingrained that the thought of unlearning seems a bit strange. Using keyboards in other European countries besides the UK confuses me enough ;D |
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Big_Bird
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| Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 2:23 am Post subject: |
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| monkeh wrote: |
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| Curious to know if your friend was a touch typist or a two finger merchant? |
I know he uses all his fingers and talks about home keys, and I don't think he changed the physical labelling of the keys when he started, so I'll assume he was a touch typist.
Like you say, QWERTY is something so ingrained that the thought of unlearning seems a bit strange. Using keyboards in other European countries besides the UK confuses me enough ;D |
If he is a touch typist (and from what you describe it's likely) then that's quite encouraging. Maybe I'll give it a try sometime. I wonder if they have dvorak training software with the dvorak keyboards in mind. That would be useful. |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 7:13 am Post subject: |
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| Big_Bird wrote: |
| mithridates wrote: |
| normalcyispasse wrote: |
| You might want to arrange the foods in such a fashion that the meat is far away from the sauce, and then suggest that eating might be more efficient if the more commonly-used items were more sensibly grouped. |
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I didn't see that, perhaps because I myself was posting as it was posted. Bloody good answer normalcyispasse!
I'd be interested to know how easy it would be to retrain oneself to use dvorak after years of touch typing with qwerty - anyone had any experience of this? |
Once you've learned it it's not that much fun to go back to Qwerty so actually the opposite is the case. Your fingers get used to getting a lot more work done without having to move half as much as they used to. Right from the start when you first type the words 'the' (same position as Qwerty kjd) and 'that' (Qwerty kjak) in a smooth motion from right to left you know you're going to get hooked.
(there's a left-handed dvorak layout as well) |
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Big_Bird
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| Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 8:07 am Post subject: |
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| mithridates wrote: |
| Big_Bird wrote: |
| mithridates wrote: |
| normalcyispasse wrote: |
| You might want to arrange the foods in such a fashion that the meat is far away from the sauce, and then suggest that eating might be more efficient if the more commonly-used items were more sensibly grouped. |
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I didn't see that, perhaps because I myself was posting as it was posted. Bloody good answer normalcyispasse!
I'd be interested to know how easy it would be to retrain oneself to use dvorak after years of touch typing with qwerty - anyone had any experience of this? |
Once you've learned it it's not that much fun to go back to Qwerty so actually the opposite is the case. Your fingers get used to getting a lot more work done without having to move half as much as they used to. Right from the start when you first type the words 'the' (same position as Qwerty kjd) and 'that' (Qwerty kjak) in a smooth motion from right to left you know you're going to get hooked.
(there's a left-handed dvorak layout as well) |
Oh, Mithy. Now you've got me lusting after one of those dvoraks like a Korean tourist for his kimchi! I must get my hands on one, on of these days. |
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