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Adventurer
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 Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 5:04 am Post subject: Mandela still alive after embarrassing Bush remark |
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Mandela still alive after embarrassing Bush remark
1 hour, 10 minutes ago
JOHANNESBURG (Reuters) - Nelson Mandela is still very much alive despite an embarrassing gaffe by U.S. President George W. Bush, who alluded to the former South African leader's death in an attempt to explain sectarian violence in Iraq.
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"It's out there. All we can do is reassure people, especially South Africans, that President Mandela is alive," Achmat Dangor, chief executive officer of the Nelson Mandela Foundation, said as Bush's comments received worldwide coverage.
In a speech defending his administration's Iraq policy, Bush said former Iraqi President Saddam Hussein's brutality had made it impossible for a unifying leader to emerge and stop the sectarian violence that has engulfed the Middle Eastern nation.
"I heard somebody say, Where's Mandela?' Well, Mandela's dead because Saddam Hussein killed all the Mandelas," Bush, who has a reputation for verbal faux pas, said in a press conference in Washington on Thursday.
Jailed for 27 years for fighting white minority rule, Mandela became South Africa's first black president in 1994. He won a Nobel Peace Prize for preaching racial harmony and guiding the nation peacefully into the post-apartheid era.
References to his death -- Mandela is now 89 and increasingly frail -- are seen as insensitive in South Africa.
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/reuters/international_safrica_mandela_bush_dc |
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 5:16 am Post subject: |
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| Well, Mandela's dead because Saddam Hussein killed all the Mandelas |
Boosh had a point. Hussein did kill all the opposition people he could get his hands on. Yes, Boosh says some stoopid things, but this is not one of them.
I think some people are scrounging for news.  |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 5:52 am Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
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| Well, Mandela's dead because Saddam Hussein killed all the Mandelas |
Boosh had a point. Hussein did kill all the opposition people he could get his hands on. Yes, Boosh says some stoopid things, but this is not one of them.
I think some people are scrounging for news. |
I thought it was very funny. Of course, as someone who likes Mandela a lot, I think this is stupid. I am glad Mandela is alive and I pray for his health... |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 5:58 am Post subject: |
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Mandela was great for South Africa.
However his geo poltical world view was outdated. |
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 6:11 am Post subject: |
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| as someone who likes Mandela a lot, I think this is stupid. I am glad Mandela is alive and I pray for his health... |
I rather like him too. That's beside the point.
In the article, the writer was deliberately (or just plain stoopidly) misinterpreting what Boosh said.
Hardly a day goes by that he doesn't do/say something worth criticizing. His comment about Mandela was not one of them. Anyone with an IQ above about 80 would see that.
The world is FULL of problems that deserve public notice. Writing and publishing an article like the one quoted is irresponsible and lazy. It is also transparently anti-American.
Just masturbation by the writer. |
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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 6:29 am Post subject: |
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Adventurer:
Nice try, but no cigar. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 6:34 am Post subject: |
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| C'mon, Stevie. That was pretty weak. Anyone in college in '67 would know that. You should be ashamed. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 7:16 am Post subject: Re: Mandela still alive after embarrassing Bush remark |
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| Adventurer wrote: |
"I heard somebody say, Where's Mandela?'
Well, Mandela's dead because Saddam Hussein killed all the Mandelas," Bush, who has a reputation for verbal faux pas, said in a press conference in Washington on Thursday. |
Yep, guess that about says it ... in a nutshell  |
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 7:20 am Post subject: |
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Are you really sure you are the one who should be using the word 'nut'? |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 5:58 pm Post subject: |
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| stevemcgarrett wrote: |
Adventurer:
Nice try, but no cigar. |
It's just a news story. I thought it was another funny Bushism, but I do think a president should be able to express himself without saying Mandela, a South African and world icon, is dead. I hope the next president will be very eloquent. I did like Bush's speech the other day when he was trying to put his case for his Iraq. It was one of his best speeches. He used to be much better in his younger days in Texas. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 11:11 am Post subject: Sound bites |
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Bush and Mandela
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Here's what he said:
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| Part of the reason why there is not this instant democracy in Iraq is because people are still recovering from Saddam Hussein�s brutal rule. I thought an interesting comment was made when somebody said to me, I heard somebody say, where�s Mandela? Well, Mandela is dead, because Saddam Hussein killed all the Mandelas. He was a brutal tyrant that divided people up and split families, and people are recovering from this. So there�s a psychological recovery that is taking place. And it�s hard work for them. And I understand it�s hard work for them. Having said that, I�m not going the give them a pass when it comes to the central government�s reconciliation efforts. |
Now the Mandela Foundation has gotten into the game, wryly reminding the President that Mandela is very much alive.
But that misses the point. Bush didn't really say or mean to say that Mandela was dead, and that's very clear from the context. He meant to say that the Iraqi equivalents of Mandela--i.e. the kinds of political leaders who could reconcile Iraq's ethnic groups--were dead because these types of figures were executed by Saddam Hussein. |
Adventurer,
Be careful with sound bites. Sometimes they can turn around and bite you in the ass.  |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 11:31 am Post subject: |
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Kuros: you let him off too easy.
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| I think this is stupid. I am glad Mandela is alive and I pray for his health... |
I think you are stupid. Did you take W. Bush literally, too, when he referenced "all the Mandelas," above, is in W. Bush must believe that more than one "Nelson Mandela" exists?
No? That is because te President spoke of "Mandela" and "all the Mandelas" as a metaphor for moderate, opposition leaders in Iraq. Do you dispute that Saddam killed them? |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 11:34 am Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
The President spoke of "Mandela" and "all the Mandelas" as a metaphor for moderate, opposition leaders in Iraq. Do you dispute that Saddam killed them? |
What's truly stupid is that Bush thought there were any Iraqi George Washingtons in the first place.
I try to imagine an alternate reality where Iyad Allawi was allowed to take over Iraq. *sigh* Bush's inability to distinguish America 1789 from Iraq 2003 and Democracy from Republican Democracy is what I find to be truly stupid. |
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Gopher
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| Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 11:36 am Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
| What's truly stupid is that Bush thought there were any Iraqi George Washingtons in the first place. |
True. But we have now left Adventurer's substanceless story behind us. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 11:38 am Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
| What's truly stupid is that Bush thought there were any Iraqi George Washingtons in the first place. |
True. But we have now left Adventurer's substanceless story behind us. |
Aw, cut Adventurer some slack. Its easy to pick up a distorted headline and run with it.
Its not as if this would have been George Bush's first malapropism. |
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