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princess
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: soul of Asia
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| That's right Qinella. It's NOT a free apartment. Why do people keep saying it is? It is part of our salary. |
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elliemk
Joined: 01 Jul 2007
Location: Sparkling Korea!
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| Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 5:30 am Post subject: |
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As expected. Arirang, too, then?
You really should stop assuming that the people here can't get decent jobs back home. You're coming off as an arrogant apologist. And stop saying that a company-provided apartment is free--it's not. You think it's just a freebie from the generosity of the boss? No.. it's your compensation, along with plane ticket and severance.
If you want to seriously address the people's arguments for why foreigners should receive equal gifts as what their Korean coworkers receive, then do so, but to perfectly play the ad hominem card (argument via insult) is no better than the whining you bemoan. |
I am NOT assuming anything. I am not an arrogant apologist. A company provided apartment is something nobody can get back home, unless they are in the upper echelons of a corporate structure. Yes, sure, it's my compensation, and when you add everything up, it comes to nearly $36,000 a year (based on a 2.3 million won salary and apartment worth 300,000 Won per month).
Benefits here cost about $50 a month. You can't touch that in the U.S.
People on this board complain about everything, from the gifts they get to the hours they work.
I'm only saying that life is as good as you make it. I'm 58 years old and have paid my dues. I CHOSE to come back to Korea. Everyone here CHOSE to come here.
So why complain about everything under the sun, get drunk every night and act as if the Korean people OWE us something.
Sure, it would be nice if we got great gifts at Chuseok, things we really want or could use. But the fact that we get anything at all should be something to celebrate.
Whining doesn't suit adults. It suits children.
We are NOT children, but many of the people posting complaints all the time act as if they ARE children. Gimme a break. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen, and quit blaming everything and everyone for the problems in your life.
That's all I have to say for now. |
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oneofthesarahs
Joined: 05 Nov 2006
Location: Sacheon City
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| Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 5:32 am Post subject: |
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| I got a box of apples from my director. There was no way I was going to eat 12 apples before they went bad, so I gave 6 of them to my last class of the day. My director seemed sort of miffed that I was giving away my present. OH WELL |
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elliemk
Joined: 01 Jul 2007
Location: Sparkling Korea!
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| Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 5:32 am Post subject: |
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| Good thing I taught at a Canadian uni, then. They were able to give me those things. And it was 5 months of vacation, not 4 weeks. |
Yes, great for you! Are you in Korea now? Are you happy? Why did you come here if the benefits were better back at a Canadian University?
Ellie, playing the devil's advocate |
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reactionary
Joined: 22 Oct 2006
Location: korreia
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| Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 7:40 am Post subject: |
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i get the idea that you're new here, at least in recent times, ellie.
keep track of your know-it-all comments half a year down the line.
you might find that this country has..oh i don't know, CHANGED in the past nine years. all part of being "dynamic" |
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Capo
Joined: 09 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 7:48 am Post subject: |
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reactionary
Joined: 22 Oct 2006
Location: korreia
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| Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 7:51 am Post subject: |
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oh, yeah. i got the spam and oil set.
a lot of oil for the amount of spam given. i guess the surplus is for me to rub on myself before going to work. |
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endofthewor1d
Joined: 01 Apr 2003
Location: the end of the wor1d.
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| Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 8:06 am Post subject: |
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from the college i work at, i got a text message making sure that i understand that i'm not allowed to cancel my thursday class. from the hakwon i work at on the side (owned by a beef importer) i got a big box of beef.
mind you, i'm not complaining about my primary job at the college. they've been nothing but great to me and i feel very fortunate to work there. i just thought it was a bit funny. |
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newintown
Joined: 01 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 9:48 am Post subject: |
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| i didn't get anything, nor did i expect to, i'm not korean. |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 11:52 am Post subject: |
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Are you a foreigner that is happy to receive a tuna set when your Korean colleague is receiving a bonus equal to 80 percent of their regular salary for the holiday?
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| Workers on average will receive 80 percent of their regular salary for the holiday, down 6 percent from the previous year. |
Longer holidays, thinner wallets by Jeong Hyeon-ji, The Korea Herald (September 22, 2007) http://www.koreaherald.co.kr
27% of Economy Goes Underground
By Kim Sung-jin, Korea Times (February 26, 2006)
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/news_view.asp?newsIdx=2825725
For Housing Rentals, Foreigners Easy Victims
By Byun Duk-kun, Korea Times (August 28, 2003)
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/news_view.asp?newsIdx=2162664
Foreigners Experience Difficulties in Living in Korea
by Jae-Dong Yu and Soo-Jung Shin, Donga.com (July 4, 2004)
http://english.donga.com/srv/service.php3?biid=2004070522448
Foreigners Fight Bias
No Foreigners Allowed: Nationality Discrimination Legal in Korea
By Christopher Carpenter and Jane Han, Korea Times (December 12, 2006)
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/news_view.asp?newsIdx=3033479 |
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Qinella
Joined: 25 Feb 2005
Location: the crib
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| Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 11:55 am Post subject: |
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| i didn't get anything, nor did i expect to, i'm not korean. |
Which means then that any non-Christian at an American company should expect nothing when the others are getting a Christmas bonus? Think it through. |
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silentpartner2
Joined: 15 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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| A whole load of nothing. But last week I got an unexpected Thursday off for "Sports Festival" (the second one this year) and when I came back Friday I found a flannel-lined Karl Max track suit on my desk with the tags still on it - 70K! For a tracksuit! Nice-ah. Better than hauling cans of tuna home. |
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OiGirl
Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: Hoke-y-gun
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| Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 5:59 pm Post subject: |
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Box of socks. Kid you not.
Wonder how much cash the "real teachers" got.
Don't mean to sound like a whiny beyatch tho. Appreciate the socks. |
Sollal 1996. |
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atomic42
Joined: 06 Jul 2007
Location: Gimhae
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| Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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| elliemk wrote: |
I am NOT assuming anything. I am not an arrogant apologist. A company provided apartment is something nobody can get back home, unless they are in the upper echelons of a corporate structure. Yes, sure, it's my compensation, and when you add everything up, it comes to nearly $36,000 a year (based on a 2.3 million won salary and apartment worth 300,000 Won per month).
Benefits here cost about $50 a month. You can't touch that in the U.S.
People on this board complain about everything, from the gifts they get to the hours they work.
I'm only saying that life is as good as you make it. I'm 58 years old and have paid my dues. I CHOSE to come back to Korea. Everyone here CHOSE to come here.
So why complain about everything under the sun, get drunk every night and act as if the Korean people OWE us something.
Sure, it would be nice if we got great gifts at Chuseok, things we really want or could use. But the fact that we get anything at all should be something to celebrate.
Whining doesn't suit adults. It suits children.
We are NOT children, but many of the people posting complaints all the time act as if they ARE children. Gimme a break. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen, and quit blaming everything and everyone for the problems in your life.
That's all I have to say for now. |
Word. |
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simone
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: Now Mostly @ Home
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| Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 6:11 pm Post subject: |
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Ellie, playing the devil's advocate |
Ellie: You never did get back to me on the tuna thing...
My problem with your line of conversation is that you seem to make a lot of assumptions about the people here - whining, drinking every night... not being able to get real jobs back home, living in free housing... Gosh, even when I WAS teaching, I was living in my own apt since... oh, 1998.
You're the one over-generalizing here. I don't feel that those of us who are generally satisfied (even though my Chusok present was totally inappropriate from a health perspective) should have to come forward and identify themselves as non-whiners to meet your approval.
You haven't been around here (Dave's) very long if all you can see are the "whiners"... you're as reactionary as the stereotypical newbie complaining every time someone around them spits into an ashtray.
Survival in Korea involves knowing when NOT to look, too. When I hear that horking sound, I just avert my gaze. Nothing to gain by staring - so if the complaints and REAL feelings of a minority of people here bother you somehow, develop a thicker skin.
After all, youi CHOSE to visit this site. |
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