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mindmetoo



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

manure keane Fri Sep 21, 2007 2:37 pm

EFL, again, doesn't matter what you call yourself, I still don't read your emails. I think I've mentioned this to you before. You really need to get a better hobby. What does your wife think?
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igotthisguitar



Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)

PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 8:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blackwater: Hired Guns, Above the Law Twisted Evil

Jeremy Scahill
Fri Sep 21, 9:55 AM ET

The Nation -- Editor's Note: This is an edited transcript of the prepared testimony of Jeremy Scahill before the Senate Democratic Policy Committee, September 21, 2007.

My name is Jeremy Scahill. I am an investigative reporter for The Nation magazine and the author of the book Blackwater: The Rise of the World's Most Powerful Mercenary Army. I have spent the better part of the past several years researching the phenomenon of privatized warfare and the increasing involvement of the private sector in the support and waging of US wars. During the course of my investigations, I have interviewed scores of sources, filed many Freedom of Information Act requests, obtained government contracts and private company documents of firms operating in Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere. When asked, I have attempted to share the results of my investigations, including documents obtained through FOIA and other processes, with members of Congress and other journalists.

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenation/20071008scahill0921 (etc)
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keane



Joined: 09 Jul 2007

PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 10:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mindmetoo wrote:
I am a child.


Still no posts on the topic from you.
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The_Conservative



Joined: 15 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 12:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

keane wrote:
The_Conservative wrote:
The Left's lack of consistancy


How does one man's piece of writing become attributed to an undefined group of millions, if not billions?

Little minds.... Perhaps I should not call you the C/N-C Faction but the Little Minds Legion.


WHAT? Can you read? I was talking about the way that Libby was treated by many on the Left and contrasted it with the silence on Blum.

Libby was attacked for allegedly revealing a CIA operative's name. Blum on the other hand has openly admitted that he has done this to over 200 CIA operatives...wonder how many lives THAT cost?
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keane



Joined: 09 Jul 2007

PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 3:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The_Conservative wrote:
keane wrote:
The_Conservative wrote:
The Left's lack of consistancy


How does one man's piece of writing become attributed to an undefined group of millions, if not billions?

Little minds.... Perhaps I should not call you the C/N-C Faction but the Little Minds Legion.


WHAT? Can you read? I was talking about the way that Libby was treated by many on the Left and contrasted it with the silence on Blum.

Libby was attacked for allegedly revealing a CIA operative's name. Blum on the other hand has openly admitted that he has done this to over 200 CIA operatives...wonder how many lives THAT cost?


I said nothing about the point raised above. I addressed one point only: You said, "the LEFT." Can you not rad your own writing? If you want to say SOME on the left, then say it. If you fail to do so and have it pointed out, man up rather than whine.

Blum may well have done as you claim. I do not know. But the claim that a person may do one thing that is not moral/legal, thus anything they say is bull is not logically tenable. I don't automatically interpret his article negatively because I have no background with Blum. You have dismissed his points in *this* article because of bias, not on their own merits.
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

keane wrote:
The_Conservative wrote:
keane wrote:
The_Conservative wrote:
The Left's lack of consistancy


How does one man's piece of writing become attributed to an undefined group of millions, if not billions?

Little minds.... Perhaps I should not call you the C/N-C Faction but the Little Minds Legion.


WHAT? Can you read? I was talking about the way that Libby was treated by many on the Left and contrasted it with the silence on Blum.

Libby was attacked for allegedly revealing a CIA operative's name. Blum on the other hand has openly admitted that he has done this to over 200 CIA operatives...wonder how many lives THAT cost?


. But the claim that a person may do one thing that is not moral/legal, thus anything they say is bull is not logically tenable. .


Where did The_Conservative make this claim in regards to Blum?

T-C was asking why those who attacked Libby for allegedly revealing a CIA operative's identity have not done the same to Blum who IN STARK CONTRAST to Libby has admitted it.
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Gopher



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 5:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blum has not only admitted it; Blum brags about it. It is a matter of pride to him and proof that he was committed to his self-appointed, resist-the-Great-Satan mission at an early date. And the fact that BLT so easily allies himself with Blum should speak volumes about him and his deeply-entrenched antiAmerican worldview.
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keane



Joined: 09 Jul 2007

PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 6:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheUrbanMyth wrote:
Quote:
But the claim that a person may do one thing that is not moral/legal, thus anything they say is bull is not logically tenable. .


Where did The_Conservative make this claim in regards to Blum?


If you don't understand this to show familiarity with Blum, I can't help you.

If you don't understand he generalized the "Left's" - again, a generalization that does not stand logical scrutiny - lack of comment on Blum's actions to this situation by way of comparison in order to invalidate "the Left" and Blum as hypocritical, I can't help you.
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keane



Joined: 09 Jul 2007

PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 6:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gopher wrote:
Blum has not only admitted it; Blum brags about it. It is a matter of pride to him and proof that he was committed to his self-appointed, resist-the-Great-Satan mission at an early date. And the fact that keane so easily allies himself with Blum should speak volumes about him and his deeply-entrenched antiAmerican worldview.


You argue like a child. Always the straw man. I have "aligned" myself with Blum? I don't know Blum any more than I know Stalin or Bush. I agree with points made in this article. Beyond that, I don't believe I ahve read Blum's work before.

Learn to engage like an adult: Don't use straw men, don't lie, don't call names. At the very least, be polite enough to use someone's name.

AntiAmerican.... what a damned fool.
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 7:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

keane wrote:
[Learn to engage like an adult: Don't use straw men, don't lie, don't call names. At the very least, be polite enough to use someone's name.

AntiAmerican.... what a damned fool.


(I bolded parts of your quote to point out your glaring hypocrisy)

The irony in this post is rich. Didn't you just say "don't call names."? And then what did you call Gopher?

Take your own advice...and then maybe we will take you seriously. Really now, do you expect us to listen to you at all, when you type this kind of dribble as above?
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igotthisguitar



Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)

PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

High-Level Talks Discuss Greater UN Role In Iraq
by Gerard Aziakou



UNITED NATIONS (AFP) - A high-level meeting on Iraq ended here Saturday with support for a bigger UN role in the war-scarred country but acknowledgment that this would require greater improvement in the security situation Rolling Eyes

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