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Racial tensions imminent for the future of Korea?
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pest2



Joined: 01 Jun 2005
Location: Vancouver, Canada

PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 6:43 pm    Post subject: Racial tensions imminent for the future of Korea? Reply with quote

I read somewhere that the number of inter-racial marriages in Korea has increased exponentially in the past few years.

One effect of this for the future of the country will be the introduction of many mixed ethnicity people to the formerly homogenous population.

One reason Korea can seem like a racist country is (arguably) that the people, bless their hearts, simply havent had alot of experience with others who are not of exactly the same ethnicity... whereas in most other countries in the world, there are multiple common ethnicities living in the same country, Korea, until now, has just had Koreans.

As apologist will be quick to point out, almost every country in the world has had problems with racism and discrimination. What makes the current situation of those countries different is that they've already gone through the cultural and legal toils of dealing with and resolving conflicts created by racism/different races living together in the same country whereas Korea has not.

One thing we know about racist discrimination is that, despite its net effect being stronger and more noticeable in multi-ethnic societies -- simply because there are more people at risk of conflict and therefore more incidents of racial discrimination -- societies that are mostly homogenous with just a few people of other ethnicities experience a greater intensity of conflict/racism PER PERSON OF OTHER ETHNICITY. (based on nobel award winning paper published by a political scientist i cant remember details now).

So, for the near future of Korea, as I see it, there will be a sh1tstorm of conflict as mixed ethnicity Korean citizens begin to fight for rights in the naturally-racist, formerly homogenous society to which they are born... And for people who say, "Korea is racist but it is changing because there are so many mixed marriages and births now," I respond that it will get a helluva lot worse before it gets better.
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GoldMember



Joined: 24 Oct 2006

PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 12:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unfortunately in our own countries there is some racial discrimination. The good news however is for people who are discriminated against there is legal recourse and the discriminators can be punished. Although not a perfect sysyem, at least such systems are in place.

In Korea there is no recourse, those who are racist and in positions of power such as the police, teachers, judiciary and government officials, can continue their racist behavior with no disciplinary action taken against them. Look at the Police and Judiciary, useless and incompetent, they keep their jobs!

The Korean legal system offers few protections for the average Korean. It is designed as a tool of control for the rich. If the legal system won't protect average Koreans, it definitely won't protect non Koreans.

Koreans themselves don't care about racism. When DDD workers demonstrate for better conditions, how many Korean nationals, join them and support them? Near zero. People also don't care about children being slaughtered by reckless drivers, and other issues. Lot's of apathy and ignorance here.

There are very powerful (Chaebol) interests that want to maintain the system as it is.
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Julius



Joined: 27 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 12:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

GoldMember wrote:
People also don't care about children being slaughtered by reckless drivers


I agree with your whole post, but this one is new on me.
In my time here i met one woman who lost a child to being run over on a road near the school.

Its possible that this country has a high rate of such accidents. Is there no legal recourse?
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bigverne



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 12:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you may be overstating the number of inter-racial marriages. The majority of 'international-marriages', are actually between Korean citizens and ethnic Koreans from China, Japan and the USA.
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Kenny Kimchee



Joined: 12 May 2003

PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 2:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bigverne wrote:
I think you may be overstating the number of inter-racial marriages. The majority of 'international-marriages', are actually between Korean citizens and ethnic Koreans from China, Japan and the USA.


You sure about that?

From wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_South_Korea

Quote:
"International marriage" (국제결혼) has grown rapidly in South Korea since the late 1990s, and is especially common in rural farming communities. Most brides come from China, followed by Vietnam.[3] In addition, a smaller number of South Korean women marry foreign husbands; with husbands from China also leading in this category, followed by Japan.


China's the leader, but it doesn't say if they're ethnic Korean or not.

Good article found here:

http://nytimes.com/2007/02/22/world/asia/22brides.html

from the article:


Quote:
In 2005, marriages to foreigners accounted for 14 percent of all marriages in South Korea, up from 4 percent in 2000.


14% is a pretty big chunk for any country, but for a nation like Korea where ethnic identity doubles as national identity the changes will be momentous.
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Typhoon



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 1:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Racial minorities in other countries were given a voice and equal opportunity in other countries. That is why there was social upheavel and race issues. They had the right to fight. In Korea this is not the case and will not be the case. If someone is not Korean, they are not Korean and should not be treated as a Korean. They are an outsider, or foreigner no matter how long they live in Korea. That is the culture that Korea has made based on the relationships of Confucius (SP????). There will be no fighting or issues about race in Korea becuase the gov't will not allow minorities enough power to fight for the rights.
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 3:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Depend on pest to only see the negative.

In fact, the government has created a series of programs and campaigns to ease the transition to a multiethnic society. The reaction to the UN report on discrimination a month or so ago was overwhelmingly positive.

Will the process be without problems? No. Will it go more smoothly than it has in the West? Probably.
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bassexpander



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 3:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This country is built on, and survives by the Korean racial theme of one Korean nation. When conquered multiple times in the past by Chinese, Japanese, etc., they have gone underground and kept their original Korean hierarchy intact.

It will be a cold day in hell before anyone not of pure Korean blood can become president of this country, for example.
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The_Conservative



Joined: 15 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 4:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bassexpander wrote:
This country is built on, and survives by the Korean racial theme of one Korean nation. When conquered multiple times in the past by Chinese, Japanese, etc., they have gone underground and kept their original Korean hierarchy intact.

It will be a cold day in hell before anyone not of pure Korean blood can become president of this country, for example.


And it will be a cold day in hell before anyone but a person who was born in America becomes president of the United States.
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pest2



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 4:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Typhoon wrote:
Racial minorities in other countries were given a voice and equal opportunity in other countries. That is why there was social upheavel and race issues. They had the right to fight. In Korea this is not the case and will not be the case. If someone is not Korean, they are not Korean and should not be treated as a Korean. They are an outsider, or foreigner no matter how long they live in Korea. That is the culture that Korea has made based on the relationships of Confucius (SP????). There will be no fighting or issues about race in Korea becuase the gov't will not allow minorities enough power to fight for the rights.


I wasnt talking about 'legal' fighting. It'll be somewhere between Ghandi and Osama Bin Laden if it happens..
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pest2



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 4:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya-ta Boy wrote:
Depend on pest to only see the negative.

In fact, the government has created a series of programs and campaigns to ease the transition to a multiethnic society. The reaction to the UN report on discrimination a month or so ago was overwhelmingly positive.

Will the process be without problems? No. Will it go more smoothly than it has in the West? Probably.


thanks again for another pointless personal attack.

Please provide details about these programs as well as the UN report.

And what evidence have you that "it will go over more smoothly than in the West?" From what I and others said, that claim seem rather unlikely.
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pest2



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The_Conservative wrote:
bassexpander wrote:
This country is built on, and survives by the Korean racial theme of one Korean nation. When conquered multiple times in the past by Chinese, Japanese, etc., they have gone underground and kept their original Korean hierarchy intact.

It will be a cold day in hell before anyone not of pure Korean blood can become president of this country, for example.


And it will be a cold day in hell before anyone but a person who was born in America becomes president of the United States.


You are correct, but we are talking about people who are BORN IN KOREA but have one parent who was not.
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The_Conservative



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 4:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pest2 wrote:
The_Conservative wrote:
bassexpander wrote:
This country is built on, and survives by the Korean racial theme of one Korean nation. When conquered multiple times in the past by Chinese, Japanese, etc., they have gone underground and kept their original Korean hierarchy intact.

It will be a cold day in hell before anyone not of pure Korean blood can become president of this country, for example.


And it will be a cold day in hell before anyone but a person who was born in America becomes president of the United States.


You are correct, but we are talking about people who are BORN IN KOREA but have one parent who was not.


There haven't been that many people in Korea who fit that description compared to the overall population. And does the constitition specifically bar such people from one day taking the presidency? Unless it does, you are making an unprovable assumption. It might well be true...but it is still unprovable.


Neither of which apply to America...which has vast numbers of people who were not born in that country, living there and who are SPECIFICALLY banned from ever running for president. These are FACTS as opposed to assumptions...see how that works?
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pest2



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The_Conservative wrote:
pest2 wrote:
The_Conservative wrote:
bassexpander wrote:
This country is built on, and survives by the Korean racial theme of one Korean nation. When conquered multiple times in the past by Chinese, Japanese, etc., they have gone underground and kept their original Korean hierarchy intact.

It will be a cold day in hell before anyone not of pure Korean blood can become president of this country, for example.


And it will be a cold day in hell before anyone but a person who was born in America becomes president of the United States.


You are correct, but we are talking about people who are BORN IN KOREA but have one parent who was not.


There haven't been that many people in Korea who fit that description compared to the overall population. And does the constitition specifically bar such people from one day taking the presidency? Unless it does, you are making an unprovable assumption. It might well be true...but it is still unprovable.


Neither of which apply to America...which has vast numbers of people who were not born in that country, living there and who are SPECIFICALLY banned from ever running for president. These are FACTS as opposed to assumptions...see how that works?



You're right, there haven't been that many people in Korea who fit the description of someone who had on parent who is Korean native and one who is from another country. We are saying there WILL BE alot of those in the future. Please read the thread a little more carefully.

Straw man: I never made the claim that people who live in Korea who were not born in Korea are banned from being the President. You brought the whole topic up to begin with.

You are introducing irrelevant claims to this thread because we are discussing the rights of people who were born in Korea, not people who were not born in Korea. ... the fact that some spiders are poisonous has no bearing on the dangers of snakes.

Red-herring... you said I am "making assumptions rather than facts" about Koreans' eligibility to run for political office.... but actually, I didnt make any assumptions about anything I said... and as such, any assumptions would have little or nothing to do with the argument at hand. Wow, nice combination strawman/red herring.... Now try making a real argument. Ohhh wait, better go back and make sure I spelled all my words correctly and capitalized everything....... nananana Im right and you're wrong!
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Yaya



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't forget that many international "marriages" are for convenience, as Korean nationals get cash for being spouses on paper. Trust me, the Justice Ministry is getting wind of this.
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