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Rock



Joined: 25 Feb 2005

PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 6:54 pm    Post subject: Being Yourself Reply with quote

Mainly, living like you used to back home is non-existent. Eating the diet you thought healthy, exercising regularly; sleeping eight hours a night, relaxing after work; and living up to your ideals of wholeness and individual pursuits pretty much go by the wayside.

I don't know about you, but I feel somewhat deflated when it comes to individual pursuits and a healthy ego. You stand out too much. Even walking my three dogs makes me feel as if I'm a kook.

So my theory is that Westerners are far more idealistic, which could be a plus, and one that makes our countries the attractive and alluring image for the world at large. Korea and some parts of Asia are just too pragmatic, too much after a quest for knowledge. Ideals other than what you are take supremacy over who you are.

But for example: I used to believe in a strong, somewhat muscular body. Do you see many Koreans or Asians like this? I think it's rare. Besides, you're often looked upon as a sort of goon, or blue-collar worker if you are strong-looking. I even had one Korean girl say rather negatively "I see a lot of foreigners at the gym. . .all they do is lift weights. . ." as if lifting weights is too macho or something.

What's more, knowledge, or technical savviness, seem to be the signs of being intelligent. Yet most Americans believe that knowledge isn't everything, just as long as you work hard, even to the point of working with your hands.

It just appears I'm in a kind of cerebreal embryo of sorts, making me want to waste away and forget the more physio-practical sides of life predicated upon the ideals of who I am.

It just feels as if you can't be yourself here.
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igotthisguitar



Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)

PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 6:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What exactly is this "self" of which you speak?

More like an onion Idea

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatman
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Rock



Joined: 25 Feb 2005

PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

igotthisguitar wrote:
What exactly is this "self" of which you speak?

More like an onion Idea

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatman


The "self" is the more idealistic side of me, even to the point of looking fit and living a happy and healthy lifestyle.

Sure, you can do this here to a limited extent. But what I'm talking about is living the day to day lifestyle you think is the ideal type of way to live, achieving your practical as well as personal goals.

Who here doesn't have personal goals in life, ie., losing weight, doing excercise, doing art and achieving something. Such goals, I feel, are seen as sort of selfish here in Asia.

Pursuing your individual desires that make you happy just don't coincide with the lifestyle here, which makes you feel like you kind of stand out and are too ego-centric.

If often makes me wonder if we are.


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Rock



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 7:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

igotthisguitar wrote:
What exactly is this "self" of which you speak?

More like an onion Idea

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatman


Just try telling the Koreans you're going to do something. Their first response? "You're going ALONE!?"
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endofthewor1d



Joined: 01 Apr 2003
Location: the end of the wor1d.

PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 7:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Being Yourself Reply with quote

Rock wrote:
Mainly, living like you used to back home is non-existent. Eating the diet you thought healthy, exercising regularly; sleeping eight hours a night, relaxing after work; and living up to your ideals of wholeness and individual pursuits pretty much go by the wayside.

I don't know about you, but I feel somewhat deflated when it comes to individual pursuits and a healthy ego. You stand out too much. Even walking my three dogs makes me feel as if I'm a kook.

So my theory is that Westerners are far more idealistic, which could be a plus, and one that makes our countries the attractive and alluring image for the world at large. Korea and some parts of Asia are just too pragmatic, too much after a quest for knowledge. Ideals other than what you are take supremacy over who you are.

But for example: I used to believe in a strong, somewhat muscular body. Do you see many Koreans or Asians like this? I think it's rare. Besides, you're often looked upon as a sort of goon, or blue-collar worker if you are strong-looking. I even had one Korean girl say rather negatively "I see a lot of foreigners at the gym. . .all they do is lift weights. . ." as if lifting weights is too macho or something.

What's more, knowledge, or technical savviness, seem to be the signs of being intelligent. Yet most Americans believe that knowledge isn't everything, just as long as you work hard, even to the point of working with your hands.

It just appears I'm in a kind of cerebreal embryo of sorts, making me want to waste away and forget the more physio-practical sides of life predicated upon the ideals of who I am.

It just feels as if you can't be yourself here.


yeah. there really are no koreans that go to gyms here, are there? i sure do feel honored that they built all of those gyms just for us.
and whenever i eat a carrot, people constantly gawk at me and say things like 'why is he eating healthy food? why isn't he shoving hunks of lard into his mouth and chasing it down with gasoline like we all do?
oh, and if i had a nickel for every time i've heard 'you slept eight hours??? freak!!!'



BWWWWAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUURRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!

WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT??????????

there are so many legitimate things to b1tch about here. you don't have to blaze new trails of bullsh1t.
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igotthisguitar



Joined: 08 Apr 2003
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rock wrote:
Just try telling the Koreans you're going to do something. Their first response? "You're going ALONE!?"
Laughing
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Snowmeow



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 8:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Being Yourself Reply with quote

On the contrary, Rock, one thing I am thankful for in Korea is having plenty of opportunity to do things just for myself. There are no obstacles here to eating healthily, exercising, and certainly there's no obstacle to sleeping unless you're working a split shift plus going out a lot at night.

As for walking three dogs at once, that's pretty unsual no matter where you go.

The gyms are full of Koreans, and the guys like lifting weights just as they do at home.
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 10:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I didn't get the OP either.
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crusher_of_heads



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 7:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Being inner directed since I graduated uni has made a world of difference-I teach students, I don't think like them.
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reactionary



Joined: 22 Oct 2006
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 7:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i'd say i feel liberated here sometimes. everyone thinks i'm a weird foreigner here, but that's just it...i couldn't care less about the opinion of koreans around me. back home, i'd say i'm more self conscious.

what i mean to say is, i wouldn't be drunk on the subway back home.
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Draz



Joined: 27 Jun 2007
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rock wrote:


Just try telling the Koreans you're going to do something. Their first response? "You're going ALONE!?"


So?
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djsmnc



Joined: 20 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 9:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Being Yourself Reply with quote

Rock wrote:
Mainly, living like you used to back home is non-existent. Eating the diet you thought healthy, exercising regularly; sleeping eight hours a night, relaxing after work; and living up to your ideals of wholeness and individual pursuits pretty much go by the wayside.


I get more sleep in Korea than back home. Usually healthier in Korea too. Too much accessible s#it food back home.

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I don't know about you, but I feel somewhat deflated when it comes to individual pursuits and a healthy ego. You stand out too much. Even walking my three dogs makes me feel as if I'm a kook.


That's your own self-consciousness. Perhaps this perceived issue of Koreans being surprised at you doing something alone has caused you to really believe that your actions make you stand out?

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So my theory is that Westerners are far more idealistic, which could be a plus, and one that makes our countries the attractive and alluring image for the world at large. Korea and some parts of Asia are just too pragmatic, too much after a quest for knowledge. Ideals other than what you are take supremacy over who you are.


Nah. I think they're ahead of us in respects to thinking "Well, life doesn't really amount to anything if you aren't a scientist or engineer. Let's just play video games or use a computer" Hey, come to think of it, you're using Dave's ESL Cafe!

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But for example: I used to believe in a strong, somewhat muscular body. Do you see many Koreans or Asians like this? I think it's rare. Besides, you're often looked upon as a sort of goon, or blue-collar worker if you are strong-looking. I even had one Korean girl say rather negatively "I see a lot of foreigners at the gym. . .all they do is lift weights. . ." as if lifting weights is too macho or something.


So one girl who made an observation about foreigners lifting weights makes it a shameful act that makes them blue collars and thus Koreans avoid it? Umm....ummm....I heard Asians typically have a harder time gaining visible muscle mass.

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What's more, knowledge, or technical savviness, seem to be the signs of being intelligent. Yet most Americans believe that knowledge isn't everything, just as long as you work hard, even to the point of working with your hands.

It just appears I'm in a kind of cerebreal embryo of sorts, making me want to waste away and forget the more physio-practical sides of life predicated upon the ideals of who I am.

It just feels as if you can't be yourself here.



You're right! I can only be another foreigner. Not me, A FOREIGNER Crying or Very sad
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twg



Joined: 02 Nov 2006
Location: Getting some fresh air...

PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 9:59 pm    Post subject: Re: Being Yourself Reply with quote

endofthewor1d wrote:
why isn't he shoving hunks of lard into his mouth and chasing it down with gasoline like we all do?

Yeah, why aren't you? We'll have to take your membership card away if you don't start soon
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ESL Milk "Everyday



Joined: 12 Sep 2007

PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 4:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think this guy's upset because he can't get a girlfriend, because the Korean girls think he's weird. That's usually the problem, I think.

Anyway, it's never a good idea to not be yourself. If some Koreans don't like who you are, then too bad... that doesn't mean all of them will feel the same way... for if you pay attention, you will notice subtle degrees of variation among them. Most of them are asexual clones, but every now and then you will stumble upon a member of the reproductive nobility.
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endofthewor1d



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 5:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ESL Milk "Everyday wrote:
Anyway, it's never a good idea to not be yourself.


i don't know. i think 'don't be yourself' might be some pretty solid advice for the OP.
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