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mindmetoo



Joined: 02 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 11:52 pm    Post subject: OpenOffice Reply with quote

http://www.openoffice.org/

They reformatted our computers at work and didn't put MS Office back on. I don't touch that Hangul WordProcessor. Anyway, I loaded OpenOffice's Word clone. I'm damn impressed, actually. Bear in mind I started my typesetting on Ventura 1.1 on a DOS pc and I've been using a WP during the days of WordStar. I've seen a lot of alternatives to Word and Wordperfect in my day. I gotta say, what I've seen is impressive. Pretty much everything you enjoy in Word is in OpenOffice. Haven't played around with Macro function, though. That's the ultimate deal killer for me. If I can't write my own macros to automate tasks, the WP is of little use to me. But it looks like OpenOffice can use scripting languages like Javascript.

Anyway, instead of DLing a pirated copy of Word and run a virus risk, just DL OpenOffice for free.
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T-dot



Joined: 16 May 2004
Location: bundang

PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 1:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

but you cant (or i just dont know how) transfer and open the document on another person's computer without it. Openoffice has no problems opening word documents though.
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skindleshanks



Joined: 10 May 2004

PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 7:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I usually use Open Office--my main peeve is that I can't "draw" a table with the mouse the way Word can.
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bassexpander



Joined: 13 Sep 2007
Location: Someplace you'd rather be.

PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 11:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I absolutely HATE the new Windows Office 2007. Especially with it all in Korean.

Totally re-worked program, and for what??? More money off of training programs??
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CentralCali



Joined: 17 May 2007

PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 12:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can install two versions of OpenOffice on your work computers; ensure you put them in different directories, of course. One version in English and the other in Koreean or whatever the local language is where you happen to be.

If you use OO, instead of saving your documents in MS Word format, save them in Rich Text Format. I convinced all the other teachers in my office (they all use that worthless Hangul Word program) to save their word processing documents in RTF and we're all much happier when we have to share documents.

I'm unsure what you mean, skindleshanks. OpenOffice Write has an icon on the toolbar where you can draw ("click and drag") a table.
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mindmetoo



Joined: 02 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 3:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CentralCali wrote:
If you use OO, instead of saving your documents in MS Word format, save them in Rich Text Format. I convinced all the other teachers in my office (they all use that worthless Hangul Word program) to save their word processing documents in RTF and we're all much happier when we have to share documents.


I'm always amazed by Koreans who think that .hwp extension is some kind of universal format.
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CentralCali



Joined: 17 May 2007

PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 4:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mindmetoo wrote:
I'm always amazed by Koreans who think that .hwp extension is some kind of universal format.


Provincialism at its best (or worst), isn't it? Anyway, according to the Wiki article on the Hangul word processor program:

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HWP files, up to the versions created with Hangul '97, can be opened with OpenOffice.org.


I'm guessing that means a document created using a later version of HW and selecting "save as" HW97 or earlier may be viewable with OpenOffice. I'll give it a try next week.

Here is the Wiki's comparison of word processing programs. The table also indicates the type of license.
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IlIlNine



Joined: 15 Jun 2005
Location: Gunpo, Gyonggi, SoKo

PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hate the Hangeul word processor. It's the worst.

OpenOffice is quite nice .... I also found this story very interesting:

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070918-ibms-free-symphony-hopes-to-drown-out-offices-brass-band.html

IBM is launching its own free office suite!

Are the days of paying $700 for a copy of MS Office over?
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CentralCali



Joined: 17 May 2007

PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 4:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What I most enjoyed from that Wiki article on the the HanWord program is how the company was going belly-up until the massive "Buy Korea!" (or whatever they called it) campaign saved them. Even Koreans thought it was worthless! Within at least the last three years, the government has been urging government offices to switch as many computer operations as they can to open source. It's amazing how people here turn their minds off when something is touted as "native Korean."

On the subject of open source programs, here is a good list.
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mindmetoo



Joined: 02 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 5:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CentralCali wrote:
What I most enjoyed from that Wiki article on the the HanWord program is how the company was going belly-up until the massive "Buy Korea!" (or whatever they called it) campaign saved them. Even Koreans thought it was worthless!


You left out the best part. They nearly went bankrupt because of wide spread piracy. The great unity of the Korean people...

Korea is in need of another 1997 financial crisis. A reminder that self sufficient societies are also subsistence societies. Look at North Korea.
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CentralCali



Joined: 17 May 2007

PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 7:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Speaking of North Korea, anyone know what word-processing program is popular there?

On Edit: I think I found an answer.

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Pyongyang program center and Chosun computer center develop or utilize more than 30 kinds of software such as Korean Front End Processor for Window 95, Chosun word processing program, (Tangun) and Korean Word processor (Changdock).


I can't find any details about the WP programs mentioned though.
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Jizzo T. Clown



Joined: 27 Mar 2006
Location: at my wit's end

PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 8:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I may be in the minority but...MS Office 2007 rocks! I love the layout--much more intuitive and gives you more control over the finished product, especially in PowerPoint. Open Office's version of PowerPoint leaves a lot to be desired.

btw, I use Office 2007 in English since my work computer only had Office 2003 in Korean. It was a pain in the ass to install but after a couple of days of working on it I was successful. Smile
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mindmetoo



Joined: 02 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 10:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jizzo T. Clown wrote:
I may be in the minority but...MS Office 2007 rocks! I love the layout--much more intuitive and gives you more control over the finished product, especially in PowerPoint. Open Office's version of PowerPoint leaves a lot to be desired.

btw, I use Office 2007 in English since my work computer only had Office 2003 in Korean. It was a pain in the ass to install but after a couple of days of working on it I was successful. Smile


Don't get me wrong, I love Word. I like how MS supports it with a lot of free add ons. I like the macro language. There's nothing I can't do in Word. But:

a) lots of people don't have $300+ to spend on the Office Suite

b) your school might not have Office

OpenOffice offers a nice pain free transition.
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Jizzo T. Clown



Joined: 27 Mar 2006
Location: at my wit's end

PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 10:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fair enough, but you don't necessarily need $300. Since the school is already using pirated XP I didn't feel bad about using pirated Office. I wouldn't dream of using pirated software in a school back home, but this is a case of doing what you have to do, in the students' best interests.

fwiw you can find office 2007 on any torrent site. Get the image file (approx. 1.4 GB), which you'll need Power .iso or Alcohol 120% to open. If your school is cheap like mine, you might need to install service pack 2 (be sure it's the same language as the OS).

Granted if you don't feel like going through all of that, OpenOffice may be the easy way to go.
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CentralCali



Joined: 17 May 2007

PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 10:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jizzo T. Clown wrote:
Fair enough, but you don't necessarily need $300. Since the school is already using pirated XP I didn't feel bad about using pirated Office. I wouldn't dream of using pirated software in a school back home, but this is a case of doing what you have to do, in the students' best interests.


Rationalization doesn't excuse the illegal act. Oh, and not all the schools are using pirated copies. I was (pleasantly) surprised to see the Network Administrator at my public school verifying site licenses for all programs on the school computers.

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Granted if you don't feel like going through all of that, OpenOffice may be the easy way to go.


And the legal, moral, and ethical way to go.
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