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white tiger

Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 1:14 pm Post subject: Suyu Woodstock Racism |
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Tonite, I walked down the stairs into Woodstock Bar; only to be turned around and told "the boss says you have to leave." there was no boss in sight; we were forced to the stairwell and out the door where, after trying to make some sense of it, i called the cops, knowing that drunk waygooks dont ever get too far.
after their arrival,they blamed our blockage on a previous white guy, therefore no other white guy was allowed in, and after they had time to talk to the cops who arrived, the cops left, without saying a word to us, my friend and i who had called them in the first place.
seems they got the information they needed.
as things continued [note; not drunken idiots] we sat outside the mcdonald's where two young girls walked by and said hi. we replied; 5 minutes later some wanker came out of the restaurant asking if we talked to "his girl" and tried to muscle me down. the cops soon arrived, and backed by some chick bystander, were told of our fault! i have never seen a korean girl lie so bluntly.
Let me note we were nowhere near being drunken waygooks looking for trouble. in fact, we were two guys, waiting outside for our cheeseburgers, initially who hooked up here in dave's , looking for a new friendship over beers.
F**k tha police. |
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PeteJB
Joined: 06 Jul 2007
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Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 1:27 pm Post subject: |
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Ehh.. a fine example of a worst day in Korea. Sadly many women always have a way with the cops, doesn't matter if your Korean or not they'll end up believing the woman (unless your a Korean guy who looks like he might have a high status). |
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white tiger

Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 1:28 pm Post subject: |
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she was just a random girl who saw the tail-end of it. |
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PeteJB
Joined: 06 Jul 2007
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Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 1:31 pm Post subject: |
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It's one of those times when you wish your Korean could be better than a native, then it'd be interesting to see the result. |
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white tiger

Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 1:33 pm Post subject: |
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my korean's okay; i kept saying loudly "waygookin imnikka" meaning "it's because I'm a foreigner." i t seemed to draw enough attention that they preferred not to do any 'arresting'. oh, good times. good times had by all. |
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PeteJB
Joined: 06 Jul 2007
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Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 1:48 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, I figured - But imagine if you could have all that commanding. I get that feeling of frustration when I need to express myself fully so I gotta keep working on that.
I guess you mean 외국인이니까 . What you typed is 외국인입니까  |
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Cheonmunka

Joined: 04 Jun 2004
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Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 1:56 pm Post subject: |
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my korean's okay; i kept saying loudly "waygookin imnikka" meaning "it's because I'm a foreigner." i t seemed to draw enough attention that they preferred not to do any 'arresting'. oh, good times. good times had by all |
Sry to burst a bubble but, you were shouting, 'Are you a foreigner?' In this case using 인 on the end of 외국 making a little dishonorific on yourself.
Look, just don't go to the racist bar again. Save your money and cook your own food. |
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JongnoGuru

Joined: 25 May 2004 Location: peeing on your doorstep
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Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 2:18 pm Post subject: |
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Cheonmunka wrote: |
Look, just don't go to the racist bar again. Save your money and cook your own food. |
Yeah, 'cuz going to McDonald's, that's just asking for trouble. |
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Cheonmunka

Joined: 04 Jun 2004
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Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 2:29 pm Post subject: |
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Waiting for a burger for 10 minutes hanging outside McDonalds, although imo that shouldn't be asking for trouble, in NZ and I guess anywhere else, it is. All the young machos hang outside waiting for trouble. Learn to go somewhere else like a decent cafe, wait inside at McDs, or simply eat at home.
Live and learn Op that hanging around makes one a target.
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our Korean is good, so no misunderstanding... |
Really? I would do some serious Korean study before saying one was proficient enough to explain to the police.
I bet they didn't have a clue what you were talking about. |
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Typhoon
Joined: 29 May 2007 Location: Daejeon
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Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 2:48 pm Post subject: |
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The OPs story is just another example of the everyday discrimination that occurs in Korea and is allowed to occur despite it being illegal under the constitution. Imagine back home a bar saying, "No, sorry you black folks aren't allowed in here because you always cause too much trouble."
The fact the police didn't do anything and blamed the foreigners just shows how far this country has to go. |
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Cheonmunka

Joined: 04 Jun 2004
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Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 2:54 pm Post subject: |
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Should the cops in your own country then just say, "Okay, go on in"? Or, would they rather that you just go elsewhere?
All this talk of discrimination. There are strong laws, lots of PC, and constant legislative pressure against it in our respective countries. If there weren't, don't you think it would be the same, just as pronounced, or maybe more so than it is here?
I've come across plenty of racist whites and I'ties and Greeks and hicks et al to fill several cauldrons of loathing. |
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Typhoon
Joined: 29 May 2007 Location: Daejeon
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Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 3:10 pm Post subject: |
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All this talk of discrimination. There are strong laws, lots of PC, and constant legislative pressure against it in our respective countries. If there weren't, don't you think it would be the same, just as pronounced, or maybe more so than it is here? |
That is my point. The Korean gov't doesn't do anything to prevent discrimination. It is a common practice here. I do think that if western gov'ts didn't push people not to discriminate there would be a lot of discrimination there too. People discriminate, but it is the gov't/police's job to ensure that people are treated equally. I remember back when the two middle school girls got run over by an American tank a lot of coffee shops and historical/tourist sites put up signs saying "NO AMERICANS ALLOWED". The gov't and the police accepted this and did nothing about it. Yes, discrimination is everywhere. The difference is discrimination is allowed by the Korean gov't whereas western gov'ts try to discourage it by creating laws and actually enforcing them. |
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Cheonmunka

Joined: 04 Jun 2004
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Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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I'm telling the truth, after that event I didn't see any signs saying No Americans Allowed. I saw one directed at foreigners at the entrance to Mia-Ri sex street. That was it.
But, I didn't got to Itaewon. By chance is that where they were?
I also admit that in 2003 I felt more unease. But, the workplace was changing for me at that time. English was becoming big to where it is now. There were suddenly so many more Americans and others than there were the previous years and pre-IMF. |
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Typhoon
Joined: 29 May 2007 Location: Daejeon
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Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 4:07 pm Post subject: |
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On a trip to Jeonju I was stopped from entering a traditional village. I am not American, but in their eyes being white was bad enough. My wife was not impressed and argued with them, but it was pointless. Later that day we entered a mokoli making shop. Again they refused to let me in. I showed them my ARC and they let me in, but I still gave them an earful about being stupid racists. They didn't care.
In Dajeon at Galleria dep't store (TIMEWORLD). There is a coffeshop on the 8th or 9th floor (I can't remember). They had a sign that said "NO AMERICANS OR DOGS ALLOWED". This sign was up for about a month on a chalk board. My friend and I would walk by each day and wipe it out with our hands. We are both Canadian, but the point is the kind of crap has no place.
I saw a couple more, but I don't remeber the details anymore as I just walked passed them without interacting with that business. Anyways, this kind of thing happens here and it is allowed to happen here becuase the gov't accepts it. There is no point in fighting against it. |
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Unposter
Joined: 04 Jun 2006
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Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 5:30 pm Post subject: |
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Personally, I'm impressed the cops came at all.
I'm with Typhoon here; you may not be able to legislate minds but the law should be blind, hense she wears a blindfold and carries a scale.
If the OPs story is accurate (sorry if it is there are people who do type stories on this board), it is definately a black eye for Korea. Shame! |
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