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If you dislike it so much, why do you stay?
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RR



Joined: 28 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Wed Feb 05, 2003 2:46 pm    Post subject: money Reply with quote

While I can certainly understand teaching in Korea for a lot of reasons (or just teaching overseas generally), I don't get the I'm doing it for the $$ arguement.

$2000 per month is not much. I used to make $200+ a night as a waiter. Hell, usually made $100+ a day delivering pizza 10 years ago. IM NOT COMPARING JOBS OR DEGRADING TEACHERS Very Happy , I'm just saying that if your in it for the $ your in the wrong thing.

You can teach in the US and make $40000-50000 pretty easily, which is closer to $4000 per month than $2000.... and yes I know about taxes and the free apartment, but are those such benefits? What about quality health insurance, job training, sick leave, workers comp., paid vacations, retirement benefits, loan discounts, housing programs, etc.....

So by all means teach in Korea, but don't come here to get rich.

RR
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Tancred



Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: Upon a mountain in unknown Kadath

PostPosted: Wed Feb 05, 2003 3:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i was making $38,000 in canada, toronto specifically. Now, as any Canadian living in TO can tell you, that will not get you very far. I was paying for a car (it was necessary), an apartment...both of which took their toll. I couldn't save any money....

In korea, i'm able to bank EASILY $1,200 a month. And while that may not be enough for a lot of people, for me to save that much money is a very good thing, particularly as i have something i'm saving for. I don't love korea, but it isn't a bad place...the taxes are low, the people are for the most part okay, and i'm taller than everyone else...plus, the food is delicious and a refreshing change. I have no desire to work in a "company" or work for the "man", as they say...this was a very good choice for me...and that is why i'm in this country.

t.
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kiwifruit



Joined: 26 Jan 2003
Location: my apartment

PostPosted: Wed Feb 05, 2003 3:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is black and white buddy. (New Zealand dollars)

Living in New Zealand: I saved 2,000 in 6 months (working 40 hours a week).
Living in Korea: I saved 36,000 in 15 months (working 20-25 hours a week) and then travelled the world for 7 months, returning home with 10,000 still in the bank.

You work out why I am here.
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Imbroglio



Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: Behind the wheel of a large automobile

PostPosted: Wed Feb 05, 2003 4:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I stay for the modeling jobs, the elevated sense of importance and of course, the nookie.

Confused
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Tiger Beer



Joined: 07 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2003 3:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I Can't Tell You Why - The Eagles


























Is this the Song Titles Thread?
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GlowStickGirl



Joined: 22 Aug 2003

PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2003 3:46 pm    Post subject: Re: money Reply with quote

i dunno, possibly because these people have no where else to go? judging by many of the posts, many of those who come to teach here were not doing so hot in their native countries in terms of jobs (dead end careers, or no careers at all). or then again, perhaps these folks are just bitter people, and have nothing else to do but to complain to others in their free time. who knows, maybe they complained twice as much in their homelands and korea is the lesser of two evils.
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some waygug-in



Joined: 25 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2003 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I came for the money. And like other posters have said, it doesn't look like that much until you see how much you can save here. Back in Canada, I had to own a car, that meant car payments, insurance, gasoline, repairs, tires, batteries, and then the humongus taxes on all of that as well as income tax, GST, PST, deductable fees, user fees, heating costs and on and on.

In Korea, I pay for food, entertainment, and moderately cheap heating costs. Utilities are extremely cheap here.

Korea was not my first choice. I packed up and moved to Mexico first, but found I couldn't make it there. (although I loved the culture and the climate) Korea has and always will be second choice to a lot of other places that I would find way more interesting. But I know I will never save this kind of money anywhere else. (except perhaps the middle east)

As for whining, yeah I've done too much of that. At the time, I always felt it was "justified" though. Confused I am just wondering how many people out there used to hate Korea, but now enjoy it, and how long it took them to develop an appreciation for the country. I've read somewhere on here that it takes around 3 years before the average person can start to enjoy life here. How much does your job situation determine your quality of life?

cheers
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Austin



Joined: 23 May 2003
Location: In the kitchen

PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2003 5:36 pm    Post subject: As it comes... Reply with quote

That sounds a bit odd to say that you can not start enjoying life until so many years have past.

Is not contentment a personal choice? It is not so difficult to appreciate each moment.

Does it really matter where you are?

"No matter where you go, there you are!"

If you are comfortable in your own skin, every moment in your day can be a joy. It is a frame of mind that you either cultivate or not, regardless of where you hang your hat.

Being positive is a personal choice, as is being negative.
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YiSunSin



Joined: 08 Jun 2003

PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2003 6:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Korean-American. wrote:
I'm just really curious as to why people voluntarily pack up their bags to move to say Zimbabwe, or say Korea.

1. They move to Korea
2. They find out they don't like it.
3. They continue to stay year after year, and become bitter.

Most people rarely stay more than a year abroad, except maybe a 3year corporate stint. Or a 5 year stint in a they happen to love or is close culturally. (U.S to the U.K.)

Again, I have no ax to pick with fellow Americans, Canucks, Aussies, Brits etc.


I'm an AUSSIE and I think a lot of the posters on the board would wonder the same thing... it's just they don't make as many positive posts because people don't often respond to positive posts.

If people go to korea to pay off a college debt then they go there for a different reason to someone going there to experience a different culture. The people who go to experience a different culture are probably disinclined to post here... Not to say a lot of people here don't appreciate it.

So, this is a message board and probably not that representative of the 'foreigner' population in Korea. Or am I wrong?
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jajdude



Joined: 18 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2003 7:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No it isn't much money. Though some are making lots with their privates or whatever. (esp. prostitutes? lol) But for 25-30 hours per week with free housing it ain't bad. And it's mostly easy for most of us, except the foreign country thing can be hard. Mainly I like being around the kids. Cannot relate so well to the adults. Or is that mainly just Korean adults?
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Yaya



Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2003 10:37 am    Post subject: Re: If you dislike it so much, why do you stay? Reply with quote

Korean-American. wrote:
I'm not out to bash, (unlike some people). It's just that picking up your bags and moving to Korea is as random as moving to Ecuador, Bulgaria or Zimbabwe.

2,000 dollars a month is not that much money in any decent Western country. I can understand why South Africans would go to Korea. But I've read posts about Australians who seem to dislike Korea with every bone in their body.


I find the Canadians to be the biggest complainers of all despite their longer sojourns in Korea. They heap praise on the Great White North despite continuing to live in a place they just cannot stop griping about. In my experience, to complain is to be Canadian.
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Drakoi



Joined: 26 Sep 2003
Location: The World

PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2003 12:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hotuk wrote:
The post does have the heavy stench of the "you're a guest and are not entitled to criticize" argument.


wow, its amazing how paranoid and protective some of you people can be about this board. Anytime anyone brings up a little criticism of anything you do and they're immediately labeled 'knee-jerk liberal'. Oh wait, that's the evil republican party. Here reasonable people get labeled as korea-loving commies.

I'm reminded of my friend gabby who went so far as to believe I was some sort of spy for a pro-korean website. Laughing

You guys need to get out, open up your minds, give constructive criticism its due consideration and buck up to reality, folks.

just a suggestion.
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Drakoi



Joined: 26 Sep 2003
Location: The World

PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2003 12:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kim jong il wrote:
narsty dog,
the monitor is barely visible due to the soju, but you're right on bro. the more koreans make me feel unwanted the more indignant i become. it has motivated me to learn korean, and i walk out the door every day armed with a new retort.

doesn't it make you feel good to know that 99.4% of the people around you don't know anything about the world outside of korea? i think i have a copernicus complex.


ahh, yes, that's why I keep coming back to post here.
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Derrek



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2003 5:50 pm    Post subject: Re: money Reply with quote

GlowStickGirl wrote:
i dunno, possibly because these people have no where else to go? judging by many of the posts, many of those who come to teach here were not doing so hot in their native countries in terms of jobs (dead end careers, or no careers at all). or then again, perhaps these folks are just bitter people, and have nothing else to do but to complain to others in their free time. who knows, maybe they complained twice as much in their homelands and korea is the lesser of two evils.


I was an award-winning TV Producer at a top-ranked affiliate for eight years. I had a house, car, motorcycle, etc. I got sick of it.

The USA is a great country, but it was boring. Boring, boring, boring. After work, I went home and watched TV. That or, I went out with friends to the same old boring places: the mall, the cookie-cutter bars which cost too much $$$ and had fat ugly women with attitudes (and closed at 1am)-- need I say more?

Korea, for all its faults, is a fun Hell to live in. I only teach about 15 to 20 hours a week, but am saving three times as much as back home. I'm trying to learn Korean, which is a fun challenge. The women are damn hot, and there are some nice ones in between the hoes and "teach me English for free" types.

Don't you dare assume that I didn't have a life back home, because I did, and I can get it back when I return. But for now, I'm enjoying life too much.

BUT you are right... there are a LOT of unemployable losers here who are only around for easy work and easy Korean girls.
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Clutch Cargo



Joined: 28 Feb 2003
Location: Sim City 2005

PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2003 6:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with Derrek. I was offered a permanent teaching position 4 mths before I finished my degree (usually 10% of us got this first round offer) and was snapped up by one of the nicest schools in my city. But the boredom of my familiar environment and the powerfully persistant travel urge won out, as I knew it probably would. I own a house and have a bunch of good friends there too.
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GlowStickGirl wrote:
i dunno, possibly because these people have no where else to go? judging by many of the posts, many of those who come to teach here were not doing so hot in their native countries in terms of jobs (dead end careers, or no careers at all).


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or then again, perhaps these folks are just bitter people, and have nothing else to do but to complain to others in their free time. who knows, maybe they complained twice as much in their homelands and korea is the lesser of two evils.
Off hand generalisations and suppositions are the stock in trade of bitter people too, sometimes.
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