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postfundie
Joined: 28 May 2004
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I thought it was childish, something I would do, not somehting I'd want the president of my uni to do. While the invite was positive, the attack was just embarrassing.
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it was a bit on the childish side but I'm glad Bollinger did it.....it put the Iranian arse on the defensive and forced him to say something outrageously stupid. A Dictators like that will just run is mouth off at how bad Bush is. Iran is by far a worse place to live (for homosexuals and women and religious minorities) than America or England. He, therefore, should spend more time answering questions about his own government's shortcomings
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crusher_of_heads
Joined: 23 Feb 2007
Location: kimbop and kimchi for kimberly!!!!
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| Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 1:13 am Post subject: |
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"There are no homosexuals in Iran" 
Heard that about Korea as well. |
And Israel should not exist.
He should visit Colombia more often-and the MENSA members of Dave's can argue articulately against the unfairness of Israel having nukeyoular weapons and Iran being locked out of the club. |
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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 7:56 am Post subject: |
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| What wannago said. No matter what Bollinger had said, you would have made a thread criticizing him for it. I don't think this surprises anyone. |
You're like a myna bird, feathers and all. Can you link Point A to B to C? I said elsewhere and prior to this thread that I believed as reprehensible as the Iranian leader is to me, he should have the right to speak at Columbia if so invited. So that makes nonsense of your complaint, now doesn't it?
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| Some posters here went apeshit and couldn't get their heads around the fact I might be interested in examining this, yet not actually be a fan of his. Too sophisticated a concept, apparantly. The next thing you knew, I was an apologist for all Iranian attrocities and a full on anti-semite, to boot. |
Good point: this forum tends to force people into two armed camps. Such binary thinking is not only simplistic but unhelpful, as you rightly recognize. It's easy to essentialize, to play the sheep on Orwell's animal farm, bleating "four legs better." Most Muslim leaders are not without merit to their concerns--even the partisan Columbia University crowd applauded his comments about Palestinians.
More grays than blacks or whites in this world today, I'm afraid. Perhaps there always has been, only we just didn't want to leave our monochrome TV set historical outlook behind, metaphorically speaking.
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| Each side won. Each side lost. Amadinnerjacket can go back, play edited clips , making it seem like he took 'em to school. America got a chance to laugh in his face. Would he ever expect to be laughed at in Iran? |
Another good point--it was almost pathetic the way his initial reaction to the laughter was one of bewilderment. He has never before faced such a reaction and miscued it as cultural difference until it became clear that the students were indeed laughing at his expense (and rightly so given his absurd claim). Speaking of which, it is indicative of the fundamentalist Islamic mindset that believes, willfully so, that it represents a pure culture devoid of what it perceives as deviancy. The West is deviant--a perception many East Asians also have, I might add. |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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| Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 10:21 am Post subject: |
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| stevemcgarrett wrote: |
Good point: this forum tends to force people into two armed camps. Such binary thinking is not only simplistic but unhelpful, as you rightly recognize. It's easy to essentialize, to play the sheep on Orwell's animal farm, bleating "four legs better." Most Muslim leaders are not without merit to their concerns--even the partisan Columbia University crowd applauded his comments about Palestinians.
More grays than blacks or whites in this world today, I'm afraid. Perhaps there always has been, only we just didn't want to leave our monochrome TV set historical outlook behind, metaphorically speaking.
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Yeah, I know what you mean about being forced into 'two armed camps.' Some people seem too intent on fighting some silly little war, instead of enjoying the process of debate, and perhaps learning something on the way. The 'war on douchebags' comes to mind.
The grey is far more interesting than the black or white, and I suppose it's the grey I essentially come here to prod and poke and explore other perspectives on. Far too often though, I find myself being asked to fight some silly black/white war. Some posters even demand you take positions you do not have. Mosley wishing to challenge me as a 'footsoldier for socialism' comes to mind.  I've got quite tired of people thinking this place is all about scoring points for their side. I actually enjoy having my position challenged, and having to think a bit more about an issue. Still there are some adverseries here I can enjoy a civil exchange with. You and Gopher come to mind off the top of my head, and there may be one or two more. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 3:50 pm Post subject: |
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I said elsewhere and prior to this thread that I believed as reprehensible as the Iranian leader is to me, he should have the right to speak at Columbia if so invited. So that makes nonsense of your complaint, now doesn't it?
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You are not completely literate, are you? I guess that big important university you went to back in the 60's didn't have a remedial reading class. It doesn't have to be a permanent condition, you know. There are adult literacy programs all over.
If you notice, my comment was that no matter what BOLLINGER said, I thought you would find a way to criticize it. I didn't mention Ahmadinejad. |
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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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Ya-ta Boy whined:
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| If you notice, my comment was that no matter what BOLLINGER said, I thought you would find a way to criticize it. I didn't mention Ahmadinejad. |
Who put the bee in your bonnet, Priscilla? Jeez, get a grip, bruddah.
I got it and get it: you believe I would have criticized Bollinger regardless of what he said.
But you obviously didn't get the import of my response (apparently the only lines you can read between are those you spread on your coffee table to snort coke).
Here is what I said to you (taking into consideration your limited long-term memory span):
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| I said elsewhere and prior to this thread that I believed as reprehensible as the Iranian leader is to me, he should have the right to speak at Columbia if so invited. So that makes nonsense of your complaint, now doesn't it? |
And here is what I meant literally (for those like you who are figuratively-challenged):
I supported Ahmadinejad's right to speak if invited (conditional clause, in case you don't recognize it) which is also the rationale Bollinger gave for inviting him in the first place. Therefore (here's where you need to let your nerve synapses in your cranium emit a charge from Point A to B), I concurred with Bollinger at the outset. However (now your brain needs to jump to Point C if it can muster enough biochemical flow), when Bollinger strayed from his good faith intent by berating the Iranian leader he exposed himself (not literally, mind you) to justifiable criticism. In other words (i.e. in case you still can't connect the dots) had Bollinger kept to his original script (this is a subtle use of synecdoche, by the way) rather than allow himself to be swayed by the crowd he would not have incurred my wrath--er--disapproval.
Now, if this explanation doesn't suffice, please await my thread in manga comic book form. |
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