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jajdude



Joined: 18 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 11:10 am    Post subject: Foreigners acting badly Reply with quote

What's the reason? I think some of the bad actions come from foreigners who are unhappy here, and maybe would be unhappy elsewhere, maybe not. I think some of it is frustration, some of it isolation. No doubt some is drinking-related. Some are just unhappy and seem to find trouble more often than others. (Happy people tend not to cause much trouble.) Some have bad habits. Some are stuck in a rut. Some don't belong here. People put down those who cause or get in trouble, not always seeing the unhappiness involved. Can't expect much compassion on an internet board, but try to see things a little clearer. Behaviors have reasons. Sure, some are jerks, but I don't think anyone really wants to be a jerk, just like no one wants to be unhappy, and no one wants to be a fool. Perhaps some sociopathy could be involved. I figure it's more common than recognized. Some are just a mess, depressed, drunk too much, whatever. Part of the equation may be living in a foreign country.
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wo buxihuan hanguoren



Joined: 18 Apr 2007
Location: Suyuskis

PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 11:13 am    Post subject: Re: Foreigners acting badly Reply with quote

jajdude wrote:
What's the reason? I think some of the bad actions come from foreigners who are unhappy here, and maybe would be unhappy elsewhere, maybe not. I think some of it is frustration, some of it isolation. No doubt some is drinking-related. Some are just unhappy and seem to find trouble more often than others. (Happy people tend not to cause much trouble.) Some have bad habits. Some are stuck in a rut. Some don't belong here. People put down those who cause or get in trouble, not always seeing the unhappiness involved. Can't expect much compassion on an internet board, but try to see things a little clearer. Behaviors have reasons. Sure, some are jerks, but I don't think anyone really wants to be a jerk, just like no one wants to be unhappy, and no one wants to be a fool. Perhaps some sociopathy could be involved. I figure it's more common than recognized. Some are just a mess, depressed, drunk too much, whatever. Part of the equation may be living in a foreign country.


Hello. We have known one another for over two years now. I am getting accused of stealing purses.

There. Acted badly. Got accused. Arrest my sorry ass NOW, coppers.
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jajdude



Joined: 18 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 11:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, I've acted badly once or twice myself. I'm not sure you have much to worry about.

Looking forward to replies from both the saints and sinners on the forum.


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wo buxihuan hanguoren



Joined: 18 Apr 2007
Location: Suyuskis

PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 11:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jajdude wrote:
Oh, I've acted badly once or twice myself.


And I've seen it, nudge nudge wink winkskis!
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in_seoul_2003



Joined: 24 Nov 2003

PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 12:41 pm    Post subject: Re: Foreigners acting badly Reply with quote

jajdude wrote:
Happy people tend not to cause much trouble.


This is precisely the reason many Koreans, despite being on vacation or living in a foreign country, are so caustic in SE Asia. Apparently, from another thread, also in Iran.

They are not happy because they are not travelling for good reasons. Travelling because:

--the customer is always right and his money buys the right to push around defenseless people in service sector jobs makes him feel tough

--sub-consciously feeling good about the poverty you see, and actively seeking it out because it makes you feel stronger

--travelling to other countries while only experiencing the expatriate Korean elements in that country

--getting resentful because you thought the Korean wave in that country would be a lot bigger than local media had you expect

are pretty crappy reasons.
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Paddycakes



Joined: 05 May 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 1:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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--sub-consciously feeling good about the poverty you see, and actively seeking it out because it makes you feel stronger



Do you really think that Koreans are into "Poverty Tours" designed so they can see how poor SE asians live so they can get a twisted ego boost by this?

Korea is a bit of a 2nd world cesspool itself, and even though a lot of Koreans may be blinded by the mindless jingos and slogans of the nationalists, they're not so stupid as to be blind to who they really are.

I could see Koreans coming to Canada on a "Decadence Tour" perhaps. I recently had my Korean in-laws over, and if you compare the way we live in Canada to the way Koreans live in their puny apartments, we live pretty decadent, opulent lives, which in their minds probably makes appear fat and lazy. Who knows.
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Cheonmunka



Joined: 04 Jun 2004

PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 1:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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which in their minds probably makes appear fat and lazy. Who knows.

I definately think that is one thought that my in-laws had on visiting NZ. That, and a general lack of jong in the way we live our lives in the west.
Most people in NZ appear selfish through Korean eyes.
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jaganath69



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 2:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Noo Zuland!
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crazy_arcade



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 2:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As I've seen it...there are two reasons for "foreigners acting badly"

One is the "I'm not happy with myself so I'm going to take it out on others" complex. The other is the "what happens in Korea stays in Korea" compelx. Ie. A lot of people have a mentality that living in Korea isn't real life, therefore, they can do whatever they want. It's not going to have any affect on "real" life back home so who cares......
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Alan Partidge



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 3:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Australia = Arkansas with beaches
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jaganath69



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 3:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alan Partidge wrote:
Australia = Arkansas with beaches


Where you'd like to live!!
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kimchi_pizza



Joined: 24 Jul 2006
Location: "Get back on the bus! Here it comes!"

PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 4:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

living in a foreign country = freedom of responsibility and personal conduct for SOME. Make an ass of yourself? Get yourself into deep shit? One can easily run home or to another country and start all over.
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Adventurer



Joined: 28 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 4:09 pm    Post subject: Re: Foreigners acting badly Reply with quote

jajdude wrote:
What's the reason? I think some of the bad actions come from foreigners who are unhappy here, and maybe would be unhappy elsewhere, maybe not. I think some of it is frustration, some of it isolation. No doubt some is drinking-related. Some are just unhappy and seem to find trouble more often than others. (Happy people tend not to cause much trouble.) Some have bad habits. Some are stuck in a rut. Some don't belong here. People put down those who cause or get in trouble, not always seeing the unhappiness involved. Can't expect much compassion on an internet board, but try to see things a little clearer. Behaviors have reasons. Sure, some are jerks, but I don't think anyone really wants to be a jerk, just like no one wants to be unhappy, and no one wants to be a fool. Perhaps some sociopathy could be involved. I figure it's more common than recognized. Some are just a mess, depressed, drunk too much, whatever. Part of the equation may be living in a foreign country.



Yes, and some are happy to get their paycheck, have a relatively easy job, like dak galbi, but wish there was more variety in the food and more access to foreign stuff, but Korea is all right over all.
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PGF



Joined: 27 Nov 2006

PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 4:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let's see, I haven't been a saint the entire time I've been here, but here's what I've noticed of others:

Exhibit A: Always drunk guy screaming out for attention from other foreigners because he had a rough childhood. This guy routinely gets the cops called on him here. One day I saw him stumbling into the mart-ah at 8:00 AM and asked him what he was doing. Reply, "I'm going to steal some sojo cause I'm broke". I gave him 2000 W and listened to his life story which consisted mainly of an abusive father and an emotionally abscent mother.

Exhibit B: Angry big tough guy. This guy has pointlessly hit several new foreigners that have shown up here. One night he hit a gyopo because the Korean_am was talking to big guy's girlfriend in Korean. Just recently big tough guy's WIFE and father showed up in town. By far, this guy is the angriest canuckian I've ever met.

Exhibit C: Never SHUTS TFU guy. Non stop talking. Lacks the rudimentary conversation skills necessary to make it in his home country so he finds a paradise in a foreign land. First, he is in a position where foreigners, students, have to listen to his boring droll. and second, he is thrust into a foreign community full of misfits who accept him regardlessof his social shortcomings.

Exhibit D: Horny drunk guy. Horny drunk guy can never get action because he reaks of desperation. He drinks constantly because he can never get action and he'll never get action because he drinks constantly. His main bother to the community is that he is constantly hitting on girls whether he's at the foreign language exchange, the truck that sells fish paste on a stick, the bar, or the school elevator.

Exhibit E: Angry guy. This guy does not drink but what he lacks in alcohol abuse, he makes up in verbal abuse. He hates this country, his hagwon owner, his foreign co-teacher, and the ajuma at the corner store. Some simple prodding and you get that he hated his job back home, his moms, his sister and everyone he's ever known. He knows Korea is out to get him and everyone is against him so he's going to Japan as soon as he gets a job offer there because he heard its a better place.

Exhibit F: Old loud guy who knows everything. This guy is old, like 50 or 60 and, granted, he has seen a lot in his time, BUT when you are around him, you do not know anything. Why? because he already knows it. Conversations are painfully one-sided. When drunk, his volume increases three fold and he proudly boasts that he's in a public school while you work in a shi**ty hagwon.

Then there's there are the women...but no time.
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kentucker4



Joined: 03 Sep 2007
Location: Georgia

PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 4:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PGF wrote:
Let's see, I haven't been a saint the entire time I've been here, but here's what I've noticed of others:

Exhibit A: Always drunk guy screaming out for attention from other foreigners because he had a rough childhood. This guy routinely gets the cops called on him here. One day I saw him stumbling into the mart-ah at 8:00 AM and asked him what he was doing. Reply, "I'm going to steal some sojo cause I'm broke". I gave him 2000 W and listened to his life story which consisted mainly of an abusive father and an emotionally abscent mother.

Exhibit B: Angry big tough guy. This guy has pointlessly hit several new foreigners that have shown up here. One night he hit a gyopo because the Korean_am was talking to big guy's girlfriend in Korean. Just recently big tough guy's WIFE and father showed up in town. By far, this guy is the angriest canuckian I've ever met.

Exhibit C: Never SHUTS TFU guy. Non stop talking. Lacks the rudimentary conversation skills necessary to make it in his home country so he finds a paradise in a foreign land. First, he is in a position where foreigners, students, have to listen to his boring droll. and second, he is thrust into a foreign community full of misfits who accept him regardlessof his social shortcomings.

Exhibit D: Horny drunk guy. Horny drunk guy can never get action because he reaks of desperation. He drinks constantly because he can never get action and he'll never get action because he drinks constantly. His main bother to the community is that he is constantly hitting on girls whether he's at the foreign language exchange, the truck that sells fish paste on a stick, the bar, or the school elevator.

Exhibit E: Angry guy. This guy does not drink but what he lacks in alcohol abuse, he makes up in verbal abuse. He hates this country, his hagwon owner, his foreign co-teacher, and the ajuma at the corner store. Some simple prodding and you get that he hated his job back home, his moms, his sister and everyone he's ever known. He knows Korea is out to get him and everyone is against him so he's going to Japan as soon as he gets a job offer there because he heard its a better place.

Exhibit F: Old loud guy who knows everything. This guy is old, like 50 or 60 and, granted, he has seen a lot in his time, BUT when you are around him, you do not know anything. Why? because he already knows it. Conversations are painfully one-sided. When drunk, his volume increases three fold and he proudly boasts that he's in a public school while you work in a shi**ty hagwon.

Then there's there are the women...but no time.


That was pretty damn impressive. I hate to admit it, but I used to be the horny drunk guy. Now I have eased up a lot.
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