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SeoulShakin
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 Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 5:49 am Post subject: Debate in adult class re: school uniforms |
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In my teacher's class at the board office today, we had a debate during the second hour of class. The topic I gave them was whether school uniforms should be mandatory.
The team who was against school uniforms told me that the idea of a school uniform began when the Japanese colonized Korea. So for a while, school uniforms were the norm. They also said that during the late 70's and early 80's (when those women were in middle school), that school uniforms were abolished, because the high up officials "didn't want to continue a trend set by the Japanese". After a few years, however, the school uniform policy was put back in place, though with a different, independent style.
I was told that this is why the Japanese student uniforms still look like sailor's uniforms, while the Koreans have opted for a blouse/dress shirt look with a skirt or slacks. Apparently before this change, the Korean uniforms were in the same "sailor" style.
I'm curious if anyone knows whether there is any fact or truth to their argument, or if they simply made up an elaborate story to help their side of the debate? (They claimed this is why they shouldn't be mandatory in Korea.... because the Japanese started it  ) |
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newton kabiddles
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| Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 7:04 am Post subject: |
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I don't know.
Was there a reason given why the uniforms were put back into place? |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 7:07 am Post subject: |
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| I'm against school uniforms because I think it needlessly sexualises girls. |
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newton kabiddles
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| Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 7:11 am Post subject: |
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| RACETRAITOR wrote: |
| I'm against school uniforms because I think it needlessly sexualises girls. |
Okay, what if the boys and girls wear the same uniform - slacks and shirts? |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 7:15 am Post subject: |
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| newton kabiddles wrote: |
| RACETRAITOR wrote: |
| I'm against school uniforms because I think it needlessly sexualises girls. |
Okay, what if the boys and girls wear the same uniform - slacks and shirts? |
That's one thing that could be done. They already force girls to have short hair, so why not de-feminise them even more? I used to date a girl from Hong Kong who wore a uniform in high school. It was this hideous blue-and-white checked jumper. You don't see uniforms like that in freaky fetish porn. |
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newton kabiddles
Joined: 31 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 7:52 am Post subject: |
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| RACETRAITOR wrote: |
| newton kabiddles wrote: |
| RACETRAITOR wrote: |
| I'm against school uniforms because I think it needlessly sexualises girls. |
Okay, what if the boys and girls wear the same uniform - slacks and shirts? |
That's one thing that could be done. They already force girls to have short hair, so why not de-feminise them even more? I used to date a girl from Hong Kong who wore a uniform in high school. It was this hideous blue-and-white checked jumper. You don't see uniforms like that in freaky fetish porn. |
I don't think wearing pants is masculine, or not feminine. There's no need to cut anyone's hair. I'd like to see an equal uniform and personal hygiene policy for both sexes. (and harisu too) |
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SeoulShakin
Joined: 05 Jan 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 3:41 pm Post subject: |
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| RACETRAITOR wrote: |
| newton kabiddles wrote: |
| RACETRAITOR wrote: |
| I'm against school uniforms because I think it needlessly sexualises girls. |
Okay, what if the boys and girls wear the same uniform - slacks and shirts? |
That's one thing that could be done. They already force girls to have short hair, so why not de-feminise them even more? I used to date a girl from Hong Kong who wore a uniform in high school. It was this hideous blue-and-white checked jumper. You don't see uniforms like that in freaky fetish porn. |
Ok, I'm a little confused. First you say it needlessly sexualizes girls, then you say we shouldn't de-feminize them. Which opinion do you agree with?
Personally, if it were up to me, and the uniforms were mandatory, they should just give the girls the choice of the skirt or slacks. That way nobody is being forced to wear one or the other. Perhaps that's what you were trying to get at to begin with, and I simply misunderstood. |
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jvalmer
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| Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 4:35 pm Post subject: |
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Personally, if it were up to me, and the uniforms were mandatory, they should just give the girls the choice of the skirt or slacks. That way nobody is being forced to wear one or the other. Perhaps that's what you were trying to get at to begin with, and I simply misunderstood. |
Actually, girls do get a choice between pants or skirts. But the vast vast vast majority opt for the skirt. I inquired once and they said it was for 2 reasons. One was to impresse the boys and two was that everyone else wore them and if you wore pants you'd be branded a loser.
Also, alot of the students prefer wearing unifroms. |
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oldfatfarang
Joined: 19 May 2005
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| Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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I don't know if your class is having you on - but ....... in my experience Koreans love to use the 'Japan made us do it' excuse for anything they are a ashamed of.
An example:
(K) Oh no, we don't hit/beat students.
(W) But I see it on a regular basis in your schools.
(K) Oh, we never used to do that until the Japanese made us do it.
(W) Hmmmmmmmm What about the Korean docu/films that show kids/prisoners/guitly being beaten with long wooden paddles. That was centuries before the Japanese arrived.
(K) Oh no, it's all the fault of the Japanese.
You get the picture. |
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Alyallen
Joined: 29 Mar 2004
Location: The 4th Greatest Place on Earth = Jeonju!!!
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| Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 5:35 pm Post subject: |
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| jvalmer wrote: |
| SeoulShakin wrote: |
Personally, if it were up to me, and the uniforms were mandatory, they should just give the girls the choice of the skirt or slacks. That way nobody is being forced to wear one or the other. Perhaps that's what you were trying to get at to begin with, and I simply misunderstood. |
Actually, girls do get a choice between pants or skirts. But the vast vast vast majority opt for the skirt. I inquired once and they said it was for 2 reasons. One was to impresse the boys and two was that everyone else wore them and if you wore pants you'd be branded a loser.
Also, alot of the students prefer wearing unifroms. |
I teach elementary school and they have to wear uniforms. I think it's the only school in this city that requires it. The girls are provided both skirts and pants. As far as I'm aware, there is no policy of choosing one or the oher. I'm looking at a class now and some are wearing skitys and some are wearing pants.
Sorry...I don't know about the history of the Korean uniform.... |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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| SeoulShakin wrote: |
| RACETRAITOR wrote: |
| newton kabiddles wrote: |
| RACETRAITOR wrote: |
| I'm against school uniforms because I think it needlessly sexualises girls. |
Okay, what if the boys and girls wear the same uniform - slacks and shirts? |
That's one thing that could be done. They already force girls to have short hair, so why not de-feminise them even more? I used to date a girl from Hong Kong who wore a uniform in high school. It was this hideous blue-and-white checked jumper. You don't see uniforms like that in freaky fetish porn. |
Ok, I'm a little confused. First you say it needlessly sexualizes girls, then you say we shouldn't de-feminize them. Which opinion do you agree with?
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Actually, my answer is that adults shouldn't force kids to wear uniforms. It should be their choice how they want to dress, at least up to a point. |
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Binch Lover
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| Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 5:59 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm against school uniforms because I think it needlessly sexualises girls. |
I really don't agree with this. How do uniforms sexualise girls?? The only example I can think of is the Japanese style with the really short skirts, but it's the strange men that turned the uniform into a sexual object.
I wore a uniform from 5th year of primary school all the way up and I never had a problem with it. Uniforms in my country tend to be pretty sober: knee length or longer skirts and a blouse for the girls and shirt and slacks for boys.
I found it took the hassle out of deciding what to wear every day and it put everyone on an equal footing. I can just imagine the girls would be trying to outdo each other all the time if they were allowed to wear anything they wanted. |
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Alyallen
Joined: 29 Mar 2004
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| Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 6:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Binch Lover wrote: |
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| I'm against school uniforms because I think it needlessly sexualises girls. |
I really don't agree with this. How do uniforms sexualise girls?? The only example I can think of is the Japanese style with the really short skirts, but it's the strange men that turned the uniform into a sexual object.
I wore a uniform from 5th year of primary school all the way up and I never had a problem with it. Uniforms in my country tend to be pretty sober: knee length or longer skirts and a blouse for the girls and shirt and slacks for boys.
I found it took the hassle out of deciding what to wear every day and it put everyone on an equal footing. I can just imagine the girls would be trying to outdo each other all the time if they were allowed to wear anything they wanted. |
I hated school uniforms when I was a kid but I had a valid reason. Why in the hell did I have to wear a dress all year long. Same length, same evil material. I wanted to be able to wear pants but was told "No" so I've hated them pretty much ever since. However, I like how at the school I work at has the option of skirts or pants for female students.... |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 6:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Binch Lover wrote: |
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| I'm against school uniforms because I think it needlessly sexualises girls. |
I really don't agree with this. How do uniforms sexualise girls?? The only example I can think of is the Japanese style with the really short skirts, but it's the strange men that turned the uniform into a sexual object.
I wore a uniform from 5th year of primary school all the way up and I never had a problem with it. Uniforms in my country tend to be pretty sober: knee length or longer skirts and a blouse for the girls and shirt and slacks for boys.
I found it took the hassle out of deciding what to wear every day and it put everyone on an equal footing. I can just imagine the girls would be trying to outdo each other all the time if they were allowed to wear anything they wanted. |
I should point out I'm only referring to certain uniforms. In Korea some uniforms look like they're straight out of a bukkake movie and others are more plain.
But let's face it--on average, the schoolgirl has become a sexual archetype right in there with librarian and stewardess. |
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crazy_arcade
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| Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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| true. |
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