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keane
Joined: 09 Jul 2007
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 Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 7:53 am Post subject: Bush: War inevitable |
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The gist seems to be Bush told Aznar they would attack with or without UN approval. Anyone care to translate? I would if I could.
Bush avis� a Aznar de que estar�a en Bagdad en marzo con o sin resoluci�n de la ONU
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Cuatro semanas antes de la invasi�n de Irak, que se produjo en la noche del 19 al 20 de marzo de 2003, George W. Bush manten�a en p�blico su exigencia a Sadam Hussein en los siguientes t�rminos: desarme o guerra. A puerta cerrada, Bush reconoc�a que la guerra era inevitable. Durante una larga conversaci�n privada con el entonces presidente espa�ol, Jos� Mar�a Aznar, celebrada el s�bado 22 de febrero de 2003 en el rancho de Crawford, Tejas, Bush dej� claro que hab�a llegado el momento de deshacerse de Sadam. "Quedan dos semanas. En dos semanas estaremos militarmente listos. Estaremos en Bagdad a finales de marzo", le dijo a Aznar. [CONSULTA el acta de la reuni�n]
Dentro de este plan, Bush hab�a terminado por aceptar, el 31 de enero de 2003 -tras una entrevista con el primer ministro brit�nico, Tony Blair-, introducir una �ltima maniobra diplom�tica: la propuesta de una segunda resoluci�n del Consejo de Seguridad de Naciones Unidas. Su objetivo: abrir la puerta legal a la guerra unilateral que EE UU se aprestaba a desencadenar con m�s de 200.000 soldados preparados en la regi�n para atacar.
Bush era consciente de las dificultades internas de Blair y no desconoc�a las de Aznar. S�lo siete d�as antes de esa reuni�n en el rancho de Crawford, tres millones de personas se manifestaban en varias ciudades de Espa�a contra la guerra inminente. "Necesitamos que nos ayud�is con nuestra opini�n p�blica", pide Aznar. Bush le explica el alcance de la nueva resoluci�n que piensa presentar: "La resoluci�n estar� hecha a la medida de lo que pueda ayudarte. Me da un poco lo mismo el contenido". A lo que Aznar responde: "Nos ayudar�a ese texto para ser capaces de copatrocinarlo y ser sus coautores y conseguir que mucha gente lo patrocine". Aznar, pues, se ofrece a dar cobertura pol�tica europea a Bush, en uni�n con Blair. El sue�o de Aznar de cimentar una relaci�n con EE UU, siguiendo el ejemplo del Reino Unido, estaba a punto de hacerse realidad. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 8:09 am Post subject: |
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I don't think this was any surprise. Bush made a mistake by bringing it to the UN in the first place.
Russia China , and Chirac were going to protect Saddam no matter what. |
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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 8:09 am Post subject: |
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Calling Michael Moore!
Help one of your tent followers! He's marooned in Cuba and deliriously trying to decipher Spanish editiorials as he picks lice from Fidel's beard.
Quick: speak truth to power! |
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keane
Joined: 09 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 8:10 am Post subject: |
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| Truth hurts, eh, Steve? Hurts so bad your babbling again. Take two aspirin, get some ethics in the morning. |
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Pluto
Joined: 19 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 8:15 am Post subject: Re: Bush: War inevitable |
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| keane wrote: |
The gist seems to be Bush told Aznar they would attack with or without UN approval. Anyone care to translate? I would if I could.
Bush avis� a Aznar de que estar�a en Bagdad en marzo con o sin resoluci�n de la ONU
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Cuatro semanas antes de la invasi�n de Irak, que se produjo en la noche del 19 al 20 de marzo de 2003, George W. Bush manten�a en p�blico su exigencia a Sadam Hussein en los siguientes t�rminos: desarme o guerra. A puerta cerrada, Bush reconoc�a que la guerra era inevitable. Durante una larga conversaci�n privada con el entonces presidente espa�ol, Jos� Mar�a Aznar, celebrada el s�bado 22 de febrero de 2003 en el rancho de Crawford, Tejas, Bush dej� claro que hab�a llegado el momento de deshacerse de Sadam. "Quedan dos semanas. En dos semanas estaremos militarmente listos. Estaremos en Bagdad a finales de marzo", le dijo a Aznar. [CONSULTA el acta de la reuni�n]
Dentro de este plan, Bush hab�a terminado por aceptar, el 31 de enero de 2003 -tras una entrevista con el primer ministro brit�nico, Tony Blair-, introducir una �ltima maniobra diplom�tica: la propuesta de una segunda resoluci�n del Consejo de Seguridad de Naciones Unidas. Su objetivo: abrir la puerta legal a la guerra unilateral que EE UU se aprestaba a desencadenar con m�s de 200.000 soldados preparados en la regi�n para atacar.
Bush era consciente de las dificultades internas de Blair y no desconoc�a las de Aznar. S�lo siete d�as antes de esa reuni�n en el rancho de Crawford, tres millones de personas se manifestaban en varias ciudades de Espa�a contra la guerra inminente. "Necesitamos que nos ayud�is con nuestra opini�n p�blica", pide Aznar. Bush le explica el alcance de la nueva resoluci�n que piensa presentar: "La resoluci�n estar� hecha a la medida de lo que pueda ayudarte. Me da un poco lo mismo el contenido". A lo que Aznar responde: "Nos ayudar�a ese texto para ser capaces de copatrocinarlo y ser sus coautores y conseguir que mucha gente lo patrocine". Aznar, pues, se ofrece a dar cobertura pol�tica europea a Bush, en uni�n con Blair. El sue�o de Aznar de cimentar una relaci�n con EE UU, siguiendo el ejemplo del Reino Unido, estaba a punto de hacerse realidad. |
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You do know that Elpais is an extremely leftist publication. It makes the Guardian look like a capitalist cheerleader. |
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Manner of Speaking
Joined: 09 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 12:49 pm Post subject: |
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Are you familiar with BabelFish? Here is how your paragraphs translate:
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Four weeks before the invasion of Iraq, that took place at night from the 19 to the 20 of March of 2003, George W. Bush maintained in public his exigency to Sadam Hussein in the following terms: disarmament or war. Behind closed doors, Bush recognized that the war was inevitable. During one it releases conversation deprived with then Spanish president, Jose Maria Aznar, celebrated Saturday 22 of February of 2003 in the farm of Crawford, Roofing tiles, Bush made clear that the moment had arrived for undoing of Sadam. "They are left two weeks. In two weeks we will be militarily ready. We will be in Bagdad at the end of March ", said to him to Aznar.
[ CONSULTATION the act of the meeting ] Within this plan, Bush had finished accepting, the 31 of January of 2003 - after an interview with British prime minister, Tony Blair -, to introduce a last diplomatic maneuver: the proposal of one second resolution of the Security Council of United Nations. Its objective: to open the legal door to the unilateral war that the U.S.A. was prepared to trigger with than 200,000 soldiers prepared more in the region to attack. Bush was conscious of the internal difficulties of Blair and it did not know those of Aznar. Only seven days before that meeting in the farm of Crawford, three million people were pronounced in several cities of Spain against the imminent war. "We needed that you help us with our public opinion", requests Aznar.
Bush explains the reach to him of the new resolution that thinks to present/display: "the resolution will be done to the measurement of which ayudarte can. It gives a little the content the same me ". To which Aznar responds: "that text would help Us to be able to cosponsor it and to be its coauthors and to obtain that much people sponsor it". Aznar, then, is offered to give European political cover to Bush, in union with Blair. The dream of Aznar to lay the foundations a relation with the U.S.A., following the example of the United Kingdom, was on the verge of becoming reality. |
BabelFish is not perfect, but it does a pretty good job of translating the gist of a passage.
http://babelfish.altavista.com |
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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 3:35 am Post subject: |
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Here's how it translates yet again in keane's (sic: keen) cerebral circuitry:
Four weeks before the invasion of Iraq, George Bushie had a nightmare. He dreamt that peace broke out in the Middle East. Disturbed by this prospect to no end, he hurried to fulfill his obligation to the military-industrial complex and in particular Haliburton by launching an illegal and immoral invasion of sacred Iraqi land. He called Saddam only hours before the Abrams tanks began to roll over the Kuwaiti frontier, knowing full well that Saddam would be fast asleep in one of his palaces after a night of debauchery. Behind closed doors, Bush recognized that war would be more fun than fighting terrorism. He imagined it to be something like owning the Texas Rangers baseball team, only the bats would be replaced with mortars and RPGs. At his ranch in Crawford, Bush told anyone who would listen of his imminent plans. One of his farmhands, Pablo Aznar, was the first to get wind of it.
After a chat on the red phone with his poodle, Tony Blair, he proposed his unilateral hegemonic imperialistic assault on the Kingdom of Babylonia.
Bush contemplated an Axis of Good: Britain, the U.S. and Spain, to counter the Axis of Evil while faeries danced in his head.
It was all on the verge of becoming reality at least in the minds of some leftwing nutbars.... |
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keane
Joined: 09 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 5:06 am Post subject: Re: Bush: War inevitable |
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| Pluto wrote: |
| You do know that Elpais is an extremely leftist publication. It makes the Guardian look like a capitalist cheerleader. |
You do know that El Pais is publishing transcripts, so the orientation of the paper is irrelevant?
You do know that dismissing FACTS simply because of WHO presented them to you is pretty ridiculous, right? |
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keane
Joined: 09 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 5:08 am Post subject: |
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| Manner of Speaking wrote: |
| Are you familiar with BabelFish? |
Those translators are pretty iffy. Last time I tried BabelFish I got... babble. Maybe their algorithms have improved.
Thanks. |
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keane
Joined: 09 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 5:10 am Post subject: |
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| stevemcgarrett wrote: |
Here's how it translates yet again in keane's (sic: keen) cerebral circuitry:
Four weeks before the invasion of Iraq, George Bushie had a nightmare. He dreamt that peace broke out in the Middle East. Disturbed by this prospect to no end, he hurried to fulfill his obligation to the military-industrial complex and in particular Haliburton by launching an illegal and immoral invasion of sacred Iraqi land. He called Saddam only hours before the Abrams tanks began to roll over the Kuwaiti frontier, knowing full well that Saddam would be fast asleep in one of his palaces after a night of debauchery. Behind closed doors, Bush recognized that war would be more fun than fighting terrorism. He imagined it to be something like owning the Texas Rangers baseball team, only the bats would be replaced with mortars and RPGs. At his ranch in Crawford, Bush told anyone who would listen of his imminent plans. One of his farmhands, Pablo Aznar, was the first to get wind of it.
After a chat on the red phone with his poodle, Tony Blair, he proposed his unilateral hegemonic imperialistic assault on the Kingdom of Babylonia.
Bush contemplated an Axis of Good: Britain, the U.S. and Spain, to counter the Axis of Evil while faeries danced in his head.
It was all on the verge of becoming reality at least in the minds of some leftwing nutbars.... |
Awww.... how cute! Stevie's going all Gopher on us! Bizarrely, he actually summarized pretty well. Freudian, Steve? |
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Pluto
Joined: 19 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 8:54 am Post subject: Re: Bush: War inevitable |
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| keane wrote: |
| Pluto wrote: |
| You do know that Elpais is an extremely leftist publication. It makes the Guardian look like a capitalist cheerleader. |
You do know that El Pais is publishing transcripts, so the orientation of the paper is irrelevant?
You do know that dismissing FACTS simply because of WHO presented them to you is pretty ridiculous, right? |
Right and I don't dispute the facts. "Bush Warned Aznar that the US would be in Baghdad by the End of March With or Without a UN resolution" doesn't surprise me. In fact, he told the whole world that also. That whole spiel about not needing a permission slip. Point is, everyone knew Bush would attack Iraq. There is nothing new in this. |
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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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keane surmised:
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| Those translators are pretty iffy. |
That's because they're not translations, dolt. They're transliterations.  |
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gang ah jee
Joined: 14 Jan 2003
Location: city of paper
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| Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 5:54 pm Post subject: |
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| stevemcgarrett wrote: |
keane surmised:
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| Those translators are pretty iffy. |
That's because they're not translations, dolt. They're transliterations. |
| Wikipedia wrote: |
| Transliteration is the practice of transcribing a word or text written in one writing system into another writing system. It is also the system of rules for that practice. |
Duh. Don't you claim to hold a PhD in 'Second Language Studies'? |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 5:59 pm Post subject: |
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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 12:53 am Post subject: |
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gang ah jee:
First, a word of advice: pull the trigger
and now this:
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| Duh. Don't you claim to hold a PhD in 'Second Language Studies'? |
So what's your beef? Or are you just desperate to make a jab? I was merely pointing out that BabelFish does not provide translation. And your definition from Wikipedia only reconfirms what I said. Transliteration can be done via machine with decreasing accuracy the more divergent in structure and usage the two languages are (e.g., Spanish transliterates better than Korean from English). Translation is more than a skill; it's an art. |
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