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| The Earth is 6,000 years old (biblical approach). |
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| The Earth is more than 6,000 years old (i.e. a few billion). |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| djsmnc wrote: |
| endofthewor1d wrote: |
so does that mean that anyone who ever makes a declarative statement is a pompous ass?
A: the earth revolves around the sun.
B: prove it!
A: the allies won world war ii.
B: prove it!
A: i like bananas.
B: prove it!
you'd be a lot of fun at a party. |
No, dummy! The earth revolves around the sun? Yes, that can be seen and verified.
The allies won World War 2? Yes, we know that to be true. The Axis surrendered. We have verifiable images, documentation, and living proof.
You like bananas? Great!
YOU'D be a lot of fun at a party because it would be funny watching you get worked up about someone asking you to prove the uncertain existence of the earth. |
I don't see any difference between the credibility of the theory of a heliocentric solar system and the theory of the Earth's age. They both have a lot of evidence, they both sound and feel unlikely, and both were believed to be untrue when people knew less. |
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browneyedgirl
Joined: 17 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 2:30 pm Post subject: Re: The Earth: 6,000 years old or much more than that? |
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| cubanlord wrote: |
Which do you think? I just checked out a science book here at my school (in Korean) and noticed that it promotes the 6,000 year theory. Hey, I consider myself to be Christian. However, I am not stupid enough to believe that with all of the factual evidence that we have, that the Earth can only be 6,000 years old. What is your take?
I mean really, days during the time that the Earth was being created could have stood for much longer than our present day 24hr. cycle. One day could have been millions, if not billions of years (which is what I believe). There are so many parables, hyperboles, and methaphors used in The Bible, who is to say which one is correct?
I hope to get some intelligent responses from this as this is a quesiton that has been lingering around in my mind for some time.
Me. |
I was told that the 6,000 years started on the day Adam and Eve were booted out of Eden...and that thousands (or was it hundreds?) of years is like a day to God--but I haven't really picked up a Bible in awhile  |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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| djsmnc wrote: |
No, dummy! The earth revolves around the sun? Yes, that can be seen and verified. |
How? And have you done this lately? And why should I believe you if you tell me your evidence?
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| The allies won World War 2? Yes, we know that to be true. The Axis surrendered. We have verifiable images, documentation, and living proof. |
Sure, sure. And you used to be able to go to the encyclopedia and look up the brontosaurus. Turns out that didn't exist. Ask IGTG what he thinks about the historical accuracy of the holocaust. Does any of the evidence you offer compel his belief?
The vast majority of our knowledge isn't from direct experience and direct testing. Everything is a probability calculation. Do I need to personally verify Napoleon existed? Meh. Do I need to personally verify the white tablets contain aspirin and the aspirin is safe and effective? Meh. Do I need to personally verify the school I'm about to sign with is honest and on good financial footing? Actually, yes. |
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tomato
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.
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| Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 5:20 pm Post subject: Re: The Earth: 6,000 years old or much more than that? |
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| browneyedgirl wrote: |
| I was told that the 6,000 years started on the day Adam and Eve were booted out of Eden...and that thousands (or was it hundreds?) of years is like a day to God--but I haven't really picked up a Bible in awhile |
The Bible tells how old Adam was when he sired his son, how old his son was when he sired HIS son, and so forth, all the way down to Jesus.
If you add up all those figures, they come out to 4000.
It has been 2000 years since Jesus was born.
Add that, and you get 6000.
| CasperTheFriendlyGhost wrote: |
| Probably already been mentioned above, but it takes much longer than 6000 years for the light of most stars to reach us. |
And just 19 generations later, Abraham looked up and saw the stars in the sky.
With God, all things are possible!
| RACETRAITOR wrote: |
(or [dinosaur bones] were put there by God/Satan to challenge our faith). |
Is that supposed to be a joke?
Don't laugh.
That is exactly what Rteacher hypothesizes:
http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=59990&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=4185 |
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endofthewor1d
Joined: 01 Apr 2003
Location: the end of the wor1d.
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| Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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| djsmnc wrote: |
No, dummy! The earth revolves around the sun? Yes, that can be seen and verified.
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aren't you the one who argued before that 'scientific observation' and 'the bible' were equally credible references, and that only a pompous ass would declare that one was more credible than the other, because either could be discredited with 'prove it.'?
doesn't the bible say that the sun goes around the earth? i haven't read genesis in a while, but i think i remember it saying something like that.
you've obviously taken a side. now you have to prove that the earth revolves around the sun. i'm afraid that 'being able to be seen and verified' isn't going to cut it... at least not by your own standards. after all, have you ever flown out to space and seen it yourself? or are you just buying into whatever fairy tales NASA and the government try to sell you? or maybe god himself has created the illusion of the earth going around the sun in order to test your faith. with so many possibilities out there, how can you really say for certain that the one you happen to believe in is solid fact? pompous ass. |
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djsmnc
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
Location: Dave's ESL Cafe
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| Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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| endofthewor1d wrote: |
| djsmnc wrote: |
No, dummy! The earth revolves around the sun? Yes, that can be seen and verified.
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aren't you the one who argued before that 'scientific observation' and 'the bible' were equally credible references, and that only a pompous ass would declare that one was more credible than the other, because either could be discredited with 'prove it.'?
doesn't the bible say that the sun goes around the earth? i haven't read genesis in a while, but i think i remember it saying something like that.
you've obviously taken a side. now you have to prove that the earth revolves around the sun. i'm afraid that 'being able to be seen and verified' isn't going to cut it... at least not by your own standards. after all, have you ever flown out to space and seen it yourself? or are you just buying into whatever fairy tales NASA and the government try to sell you? or maybe god himself has created the illusion of the earth going around the sun in order to test your faith. with so many possibilities out there, how can you really say for certain that the one you happen to believe in is solid fact? pompous ass. |
You're right. It really isn't proven. I was wrong to throw that out there and suck up to NASA. Everyone makes mistakes. I will say, however, that having seen people physically go into a rocket, then watched that rocket fly into the sky, then disappear, then come back a few days to a few weeks later...well, they are quite convincing.
For all I know, it's just a fire disc named Ra. Doesn't matter anyway. It's just there and tends to burn your skin after awhile. |
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endofthewor1d
Joined: 01 Apr 2003
Location: the end of the wor1d.
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| Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 6:37 pm Post subject: |
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| djsmnc wrote: |
| It's just there and tends to burn your skin after awhile. |
prove it! |
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djsmnc
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
Location: Dave's ESL Cafe
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| Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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| endofthewor1d wrote: |
| djsmnc wrote: |
| It's just there and tends to burn your skin after awhile. |
prove it! |
OK, stand outside naked on a clear day. |
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endofthewor1d
Joined: 01 Apr 2003
Location: the end of the wor1d.
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| Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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| djsmnc wrote: |
| endofthewor1d wrote: |
| djsmnc wrote: |
| It's just there and tends to burn your skin after awhile. |
prove it! |
OK, stand outside naked on a clear day. |
i've been burnt badly before. but i don't really know that the sun burned me. it's just as likely that jesus turned himself invisible, came down to earth, and burned me with his laser vision. |
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djsmnc
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
Location: Dave's ESL Cafe
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| Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 6:50 pm Post subject: |
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| endofthewor1d wrote: |
| djsmnc wrote: |
| endofthewor1d wrote: |
| djsmnc wrote: |
| It's just there and tends to burn your skin after awhile. |
prove it! |
OK, stand outside naked on a clear day. |
i've been burnt badly before. but i don't really know that the sun burned me. it's just as likely that jesus turned himself invisible, came down to earth, and burned me with his laser vision. |
I suppose. |
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tomato
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.
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| Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 8:08 pm Post subject: |
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| endofthewor1d wrote: |
| doesn't the bible say that the sun goes around the earth? i haven't read genesis in a while, but i think i remember it saying something like that. |
That's an easy question for me because I have a concordance.
(In fact, the very reason I bought it was for questions on the Internet like this one!)
The Book of Genesis doesn't say which revolves around which, but the sun rises in 19:23, 32:31 and sets in 15:12, 15:17, 28:11.
Throughout the Bible, there are oodlums of verses about the Sun rising and setting.
Joshua commands the sun to stand still in Joshua 10:12-13.
If the earth revolved around the sun, he would have commanded the earth instead. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 3:24 am Post subject: |
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| tomato wrote: |
Joshua commands the sun to stand still in Joshua 10:12-13.
If the earth revolved around the sun, he would have commanded the earth instead. |
The friction to suddenly stop the earth would cook it alive. |
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vox
Joined: 13 Feb 2005
Location: Jeollabukdo
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| Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 6:00 am Post subject: |
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| RACETRAITOR wrote: |
| vox wrote: |
| RACETRAITOR wrote: |
| vox wrote: |
The relevancy of Genesis was never for this. It's just a spiritual guidebook and it says as far as you're concerned from a spiritual edification point of view, at one point the universe was created. And at another point the earth was created blah blah blah. Genesis also doesn't work as a cookbook or home-repair instruction manual either.
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I wonder if the Israelites thought that when they created it. "Let's put all the filler material in these books. I have a feeling in a few hundred years some guy will come along and a bunch more books will be written." |
Unless it was simplified for the prophet writing as well. Dja consider that? Oops.
not filler.
not posterity.
not paying attention.
tsk tsk
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Either way, it was a bunch of superstitious people writing a bunch of superstitious crap they knew nothing about. |
replace superstitious with presumptuous and it's right back at ya. (making click sound, wink and handgun motion.) Nobody's got the drop on what's really going on. |
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jajdude
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 6:30 am Post subject: |
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| Wow, about 15% insist on being wrong? |
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JMO
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 7:31 am Post subject: |
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I love this 'we don't really know' crap.
Sure its hard to prove 100% how old the universe is but the evidence for a very old universe is a mountainous beside the evidence for one that is 6000 years old or younger.
Of course yes, it could all be an illusion but that line of reasoning is pointless. |
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