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arjuna

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Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 1:05 am Post subject: War As Freedom, And Fraud As Fact |
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I thought this was quite well presented. - Arjuna
War As Freedom, And Fraud As Fact
By Greg Felton
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article18472.htm
�Things like� the Russian purges and deportations, the dropping of the atom bombs on Japan, can indeed be defended, but only by arguments which are too brutal for most people to face, and which do not square with the professed aims of the political parties� Political language�and with variations this is true of all political parties, from Conservatives to Anarchists�is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind.� George Orwell, from Politics and the English Language, 1946
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Anti-Semitism
This all-purpose epithet of opprobrium is designed to conflate Israel with World Jewry, thereby implying that to attack one means to attack the other. In truth, the term is meaningless, as I wrote in an earlier essay: �Strictly speaking, �semitic� is a linguistic term denoting a family of Afro-Asiatic languages, of which we have today Arabic, Hebrew, Maltese, and the South Arabic languages of northern Ethiopia. Ancient semitic languages included Akkadian, Canaanite, Amorite, Ugaritic, Phoenician, Punic, Aramaic, as well as ancient Hebrew and Syriac.�
The unique association of Jews with Semites serves to reinforce the cult of Jewish victimhood and shut down condemnation of Israel.
Faith-based
This expression dates to the Reagan era and is a euphemism for �Christian.� Because religion has both positive and negative connotations and is often an instrument of repression, radical Christians cannot openly advocate their religion against the secular law or other religions. Also, the U.S. officially has no religion, and the separation of church and state is integral to U.S. democracy.
But �faith� affords the illusion of inclusiveness and absolute virtue. Even science has a faith component, albeit a rational one. Thus, expressions like �faith-based schools,� and �faith-based entertainment� covertly and innocuously serve the agenda of anti-democratic Christian religious exclusivity.
Holocaust denier
To question is not to deny, yet anyone who doubts any part of the received zionist version of what happened to Europe�s Jews is immediately deemed to have committed crimethink. Nowhere is the brainwashing intent of political language more overt than in this nonsense expression. The Lobby demands unconscious acceptance of its orthodoxy, and its use of this and other biased expressions is clearly designed to make a heretical (independent) thought unthinkable.
Hostile entity
This most recent and addition to our political lexicon refers to the new denotation of the Gaza Strip under the elected Hamas government. �Hostile� merely reflects Israel�s bias, so this expression is intellectually corrupt. One cannot say that Israel is a hostile entity (toward Palestine) because that would imply that Palestine has legitimate grievances against Israel. Once stigmatized as hostile, any large scale violence against the Gaza Strip can be made to appear justifiable.
Incitement
Though this term�s meaning is not contorted, its use is highly selective. It is used selectively to demonize critical speech, as in the expression, �Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has been charged with incitement.� The point is that Ahmadinejad has pointed out the criminality of Israel�s persecution of Palestinians, and underscored the illegitimacy of the state�s founding, and for this he must be punished. Such comments are deemed to be �incitement� against Jews, even though he said no such thing. (see Anti-Semitism above.)
Right to exist
This expression has no standing in international law and, like anti-Semitism, is a contrivance to skew our minds toward sympathy for Israel. Nevertheless, it plays effectively on our innate sense of fairness and understanding to make Palestinians appear to be implacably hostile. One never speaks of Palestine�s right to exist, or Syria�s, or Iran�s, or Iraq�s. Like �free� in Newspeak, it has only one use.
Terrorist
This term no longer has any objective meaning. It no longer refers to people or groups who use violence to bring about political change. It now is used to label any person, group or government that opposes U.S. and Israeli conduct in the Middle East. The idea that �terrorists� could be resistance fighters or people trying to defend themselves is not admitted. Because one cannot defend a terrorist, the term precludes rational debate. Therefore, the word is invariably preceded by �Muslim,� Islamic� or �Arab� to ensure that the orthodox, zionist connotation comes across.
Moreover, this term has given rise to the nonsensical epithet �Islamofascism,� based on the fatuous assertion that Arab regimes are akin to Nazi Germany. From here, the term war on terrorism is repeatedly invoked to justify repression and mass murder against Isramerica�s enemies.
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 2:20 pm Post subject: Re: War As Freedom, And Fraud As Fact |
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arjuna wrote: |
Moreover, this term has given rise to the nonsensical epithet �Islamofascism,� based on the fatuous assertion that Arab regimes are akin to Nazi Germany.
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Islamofascism is a term used to separate Islam from Islamism. There is a direct link between Zawahiri and the Nazis. |
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spliff

Joined: 19 Jan 2004 Location: Khon Kaen, Thailand
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Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 2:47 pm Post subject: Re: War As Freedom, And Fraud As Fact |
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arjuna wrote: |
I thought this was quite well presented. - Arjuna
War As Freedom, And Fraud As Fact
By Greg Felcher
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article18472.htm
�Things like� the Russian purges and deportations, the dropping of the atom bombs on Japan, can indeed be defended, but only by arguments which are too brutal for most people to face, and which do not square with the professed aims of the political parties� Political language�and with variations this is true of all political parties, from Conservatives to Anarchists�is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind.� George Orwell, from Politics and the English Language, 1946
[...]
Anti-Semitism
This all-purpose epithet of opprobrium is designed to conflate Israel with World Jewry, thereby implying that to attack one means to attack the other. In truth, the term is meaningless, as I wrote in an earlier essay: �Strictly speaking, �semitic� is a linguistic term denoting a family of Afro-Asiatic languages, of which we have today Arabic, Hebrew, Maltese, and the South Arabic languages of northern Ethiopia. Ancient semitic languages included Akkadian, Canaanite, Amorite, Ugaritic, Phoenician, Punic, Aramaic, as well as ancient Hebrew and Syriac.�
The unique association of Jews with Semites serves to reinforce the cult of Jewish victimhood and shut down condemnation of Israel.
Faith-based
This expression dates to the Reagan era and is a euphemism for �Christian.� Because religion has both positive and negative connotations and is often an instrument of repression, radical Christians cannot openly advocate their religion against the secular law or other religions. Also, the U.S. officially has no religion, and the separation of church and state is integral to U.S. democracy.
But �faith� affords the illusion of inclusiveness and absolute virtue. Even science has a faith component, albeit a rational one. Thus, expressions like �faith-based schools,� and �faith-based entertainment� covertly and innocuously serve the agenda of anti-democratic Christian religious exclusivity.
Holocaust denier
To question is not to deny, yet anyone who doubts any part of the received zionist version of what happened to Europe�s Jews is immediately deemed to have committed crimethink. Nowhere is the brainwashing intent of political language more overt than in this nonsense expression. The Lobby demands unconscious acceptance of its orthodoxy, and its use of this and other biased expressions is clearly designed to make a heretical (independent) thought unthinkable.
Hostile entity
This most recent and addition to our political lexicon refers to the new denotation of the Gaza Strip under the elected Hamas government. �Hostile� merely reflects Israel�s bias, so this expression is intellectually corrupt. One cannot say that Israel is a hostile entity (toward Palestine) because that would imply that Palestine has legitimate grievances against Israel. Once stigmatized as hostile, any large scale violence against the Gaza Strip can be made to appear justifiable.
Incitement
Though this term�s meaning is not contorted, its use is highly selective. It is used selectively to demonize critical speech, as in the expression, �Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has been charged with incitement.� The point is that Ahmadinejad has pointed out the criminality of Israel�s persecution of Palestinians, and underscored the illegitimacy of the state�s founding, and for this he must be punished. Such comments are deemed to be �incitement� against Jews, even though he said no such thing. (see Anti-Semitism above.)
Right to exist
This expression has no standing in international law and, like anti-Semitism, is a contrivance to skew our minds toward sympathy for Israel. Nevertheless, it plays effectively on our innate sense of fairness and understanding to make Palestinians appear to be implacably hostile. One never speaks of Palestine�s right to exist, or Syria�s, or Iran�s, or Iraq�s. Like �free� in Newspeak, it has only one use.
Terrorist
This term no longer has any objective meaning. It no longer refers to people or groups who use violence to bring about political change. It now is used to label any person, group or government that opposes U.S. and Israeli conduct in the Middle East. The idea that �terrorists� could be resistance fighters or people trying to defend themselves is not admitted. Because one cannot defend a terrorist, the term precludes rational debate. Therefore, the word is invariably preceded by �Muslim,� Islamic� or �Arab� to ensure that the orthodox, zionist connotation comes across.
Moreover, this term has given rise to the nonsensical epithet �Islamofascism,� based on the fatuous assertion that Arab regimes are akin to Nazi Germany. From here, the term war on terrorism is repeatedly invoked to justify repression and mass murder against Isramerica�s enemies.
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cerulean808

Joined: 14 Mar 2006 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 3:11 pm Post subject: |
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Kuros
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Islamofascism is a term used to separate Islam from Islamism. There is a direct link between Zawahiri and the Nazis. |
'Islamofascism' is a word like 'Homophobia'. It's rhetorical, it carries no intellectual weight and isn't taken seriously in the political studies field, any more than mental health professionals identify 'homophobia' as an actual phobia.
Try with other ideologies:
Christofascism? - well this one works better, after all it was within Christian civilisation that fascism developed. And we all know about the Church's collusion with the European fascists.
Hindofascism?
Buddhofascism?
See how stupid it gets.
'Islamofascism' is just one more piece of flaky rightwing jargon. |
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Pluto
Joined: 19 Dec 2006
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Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 4:30 pm Post subject: |
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slamofascism is a term used to separate Islam from Islamism. There is a direct link between Zawahiri and the Nazis.
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Sadly he is right, and this legacy is real.
cerulean808 opined:
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Christofascism? - well this one works better, after all it was within Christian civilisation that fascism developed. And we all know about the Church's collusion with the European fascists.
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Yet you give the Islamic leaders of the time a pass. MeinKampf's Islamic legacy. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

Joined: 25 May 2003
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Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 4:38 pm Post subject: |
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cerulean808 wrote: |
Kuros
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Islamofascism is a term used to separate Islam from Islamism. There is a direct link between Zawahiri and the Nazis. |
'Islamofascism' is a word like 'Homophobia'. It's rhetorical, it carries no intellectual weight and isn't taken seriously in the political studies field, any more than mental health professionals identify 'homophobia' as an actual phobia.
Try with other ideologies:
Christofascism? - well this one works better, after all it was within Christian civilisation that fascism developed. And we all know about the Church's collusion with the European fascists.
Hindofascism?
Buddhofascism?
See how stupid it gets.
'Islamofascism' is just one more piece of flaky rightwing jargon. |
Whatever Khomeni followers , Al Qaedists and Bathists are all fascist bigots. Case closed. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 5:20 pm Post subject: |
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cerulean808 wrote: |
Kuros
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Islamofascism is a term used to separate Islam from Islamism. There is a direct link between Zawahiri and the Nazis. |
'Islamofascism' is a word like 'Homophobia'. It's rhetorical, it carries no intellectual weight and isn't taken seriously in the political studies field, any more than mental health professionals identify 'homophobia' as an actual phobia.
Try with other ideologies:
Christofascism? - well this one works better, after all it was within Christian civilisation that fascism developed. And we all know about the Church's collusion with the European fascists.
Hindofascism?
Buddhofascism?
See how stupid it gets.
'Islamofascism' is just one more piece of flaky rightwing jargon. |
You don't address the clear connection between Sayyid Qutb and the Muslim Brotherhood and Zawahiri's education in the Muslim Brotherhood and its connections to the Nazis.
Instead you string religions with no associations with fascism together.
I accept your surrender. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

Joined: 25 May 2003
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Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 5:48 pm Post subject: |
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If they (Jews) all gather in Israel, it will save us the trouble of going after them worldwide. (Daily Star, Oct. 23, 2002) |
Hassan Nasrallah
World: Argentinian Prosecutors Charge Iran, Hizballah In 1994 Bombing
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Argentinian chief prosecutor Alberto Nisman alleged at a news conference on October 25 that while the bombing was carried out by the Lebanese Hizballah, the decision to attack the Jewish center was made in Iran.
"We have proven that the decision for the July 18, 1994, attack against AMIA that caused 85 deaths and wounded at least 151 was a decision taken by high-ranking authorities of Iran's government at that time," Nisman said. "These authorities ordered the Lebanese Shi'ite organization Hizballah to carry out this attack. It is known that this organization [Hizballah] is, from all points of view, a sub-organization of the regime in Tehran." |
http://www.rferl.org/featuresarticle/2006/10/9d513930-d0f3-4105-9e40-e0097e8983ba.html
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Consider what happened Aug. 14. Four jihadist suicide-bombers blew themselves up in two Iraqi villages, killing more than 500 Kurdish civilians - men, women and babies - who belonged to a tiny pre-Islamic sect known as the Yazidis. |
http://iht.nytimes.com/protected/articles/2007/08/26/opinion/edfried.php |
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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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Doublethink
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Doublethink is the act of simultaneously holding two mutually contradictory beliefs
while fervently fooling oneself believing both
e.g.
war is peace
ignorance is strength
freedom is slavery
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

Joined: 25 May 2003
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Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 11:31 pm Post subject: |
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Hey Igothisguitar why don't you get married to Arjuna? |
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cbclark4

Joined: 20 Aug 2006 Location: Masan
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Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 12:11 am Post subject: |
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You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on having both at once.
{R.A.H.} |
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cbclark4

Joined: 20 Aug 2006 Location: Masan
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Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 12:12 am Post subject: Re: War As Freedom, And Fraud As Fact |
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spliff wrote: |
arjuna wrote: |
I thought this was quite well presented. - Arjuna
War As Freedom, And Fraud As Fact
By Greg Felcher
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article18472.htm
�Things like� the Russian purges and deportations, the dropping of the atom bombs on Japan, can indeed be defended, but only by arguments which are too brutal for most people to face, and which do not square with the professed aims of the political parties� Political language�and with variations this is true of all political parties, from Conservatives to Anarchists�is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind.� George Orwell, from Politics and the English Language, 1946
[...]
Anti-Semitism
This all-purpose epithet of opprobrium is designed to conflate Israel with World Jewry, thereby implying that to attack one means to attack the other. In truth, the term is meaningless, as I wrote in an earlier essay: �Strictly speaking, �semitic� is a linguistic term denoting a family of Afro-Asiatic languages, of which we have today Arabic, Hebrew, Maltese, and the South Arabic languages of northern Ethiopia. Ancient semitic languages included Akkadian, Canaanite, Amorite, Ugaritic, Phoenician, Punic, Aramaic, as well as ancient Hebrew and Syriac.�
The unique association of Jews with Semites serves to reinforce the cult of Jewish victimhood and shut down condemnation of Israel.
Faith-based
This expression dates to the Reagan era and is a euphemism for �Christian.� Because religion has both positive and negative connotations and is often an instrument of repression, radical Christians cannot openly advocate their religion against the secular law or other religions. Also, the U.S. officially has no religion, and the separation of church and state is integral to U.S. democracy.
But �faith� affords the illusion of inclusiveness and absolute virtue. Even science has a faith component, albeit a rational one. Thus, expressions like �faith-based schools,� and �faith-based entertainment� covertly and innocuously serve the agenda of anti-democratic Christian religious exclusivity.
Holocaust denier
To question is not to deny, yet anyone who doubts any part of the received zionist version of what happened to Europe�s Jews is immediately deemed to have committed crimethink. Nowhere is the brainwashing intent of political language more overt than in this nonsense expression. The Lobby demands unconscious acceptance of its orthodoxy, and its use of this and other biased expressions is clearly designed to make a heretical (independent) thought unthinkable.
Hostile entity
This most recent and addition to our political lexicon refers to the new denotation of the Gaza Strip under the elected Hamas government. �Hostile� merely reflects Israel�s bias, so this expression is intellectually corrupt. One cannot say that Israel is a hostile entity (toward Palestine) because that would imply that Palestine has legitimate grievances against Israel. Once stigmatized as hostile, any large scale violence against the Gaza Strip can be made to appear justifiable.
Incitement
Though this term�s meaning is not contorted, its use is highly selective. It is used selectively to demonize critical speech, as in the expression, �Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has been charged with incitement.� The point is that Ahmadinejad has pointed out the criminality of Israel�s persecution of Palestinians, and underscored the illegitimacy of the state�s founding, and for this he must be punished. Such comments are deemed to be �incitement� against Jews, even though he said no such thing. (see Anti-Semitism above.)
Right to exist
This expression has no standing in international law and, like anti-Semitism, is a contrivance to skew our minds toward sympathy for Israel. Nevertheless, it plays effectively on our innate sense of fairness and understanding to make Palestinians appear to be implacably hostile. One never speaks of Palestine�s right to exist, or Syria�s, or Iran�s, or Iraq�s. Like �free� in Newspeak, it has only one use.
Terrorist
This term no longer has any objective meaning. It no longer refers to people or groups who use violence to bring about political change. It now is used to label any person, group or government that opposes U.S. and Israeli conduct in the Middle East. The idea that �terrorists� could be resistance fighters or people trying to defend themselves is not admitted. Because one cannot defend a terrorist, the term precludes rational debate. Therefore, the word is invariably preceded by �Muslim,� Islamic� or �Arab� to ensure that the orthodox, zionist connotation comes across.
Moreover, this term has given rise to the nonsensical epithet �Islamofascism,� based on the fatuous assertion that Arab regimes are akin to Nazi Germany. From here, the term war on terrorism is repeatedly invoked to justify repression and mass murder against Isramerica�s enemies.
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Never underestimate the power of human stupidity.
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cbclark4

Joined: 20 Aug 2006 Location: Masan
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Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 12:14 am Post subject: |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
Hey Igothisguitar why don't you get married to Arjuna? |
Never insult anyone by accident.
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keane
Joined: 09 Jul 2007
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Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 12:26 am Post subject: |
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You windbags scream and yell and wet your pants when someone says the US is sliding toward fascism, but have no trouble labeling Islamists fascists?
Reeeeal objective there, boys.
Come on, right here on this forum, state clearly and without any bull how Islamists of ANY stripe are fascist. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

Joined: 25 May 2003
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Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 2:15 am Post subject: |
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Bathists , Khomenists and Al Qaedists/ Jihad international are all fascist bigots. Case closed. |
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