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GoldMember
Joined: 24 Oct 2006
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Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 7:12 pm Post subject: More Racism-This time Korean Dictionary |
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The most common English-Korean dictionary in Korea is the Sisa Elite, published by YBM.
The Entry for Jew, contains a sentence to illustrate how the word jew is used.
That sentence is, "rich as a Jew",
Other meanings include 사람 수전노, Miser.
Also Jew Down, in Korean is defined as a price discount.
The Entry for Negro, contains various synonyms, such as
Black, Colored Man and Nigger.
This may seem trivial, however in the Korean education system we have kids subjected to racist stereoytpes for 20 years, eventually they become adults and look at the result.
Xenophobic TV programs, articles and government policies. |
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genezorm

Joined: 01 Jul 2007 Location: Mokpo
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Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 7:40 pm Post subject: Re: More Racism-This time Korean Dictionary |
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GoldMember wrote: |
The most common English-Korean dictionary in Korea is the Sisa Elite, published by YBM.
The Entry for Jew, contains a sentence to illustrate how the word jew is used.
That sentence is, "rich as a Jew",
Other meanings include 사람 수전노, Miser.
Also Jew Down, in Korean is defined as a price discount.
The Entry for Negro, contains various synonyms, such as
Black, Colored Man and *beep*.
This may seem trivial, however in the Korean education system we have kids subjected to racist stereoytpes for 20 years, eventually they become adults and look at the result.
Xenophobic TV programs, articles and government policies. |
Case in point....America. |
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whatever

Joined: 11 Jun 2006 Location: Korea: More fun than jail.
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Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 7:47 pm Post subject: Re: More Racism-This time Korean Dictionary |
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genezorm wrote: |
Case in point....America. |
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Amazing insight, there. Very consistent with the usual quality of your posts. 
Last edited by whatever on Mon Oct 01, 2007 7:48 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Captain Corea

Joined: 28 Feb 2005 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 7:48 pm Post subject: Re: More Racism-This time Korean Dictionary |
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GoldMember wrote: |
The most common English-Korean dictionary in Korea is the Sisa Elite, published by YBM.
The Entry for Jew, contains a sentence to illustrate how the word jew is used.
That sentence is, "rich as a Jew",
Other meanings include 사람 수전노, Miser.
Also Jew Down, in Korean is defined as a price discount.
The Entry for Negro, contains various synonyms, such as
Black, Colored Man and *beep*.
This may seem trivial, however in the Korean education system we have kids subjected to racist stereoytpes for 20 years, eventually they become adults and look at the result.
Xenophobic TV programs, articles and government policies. |
I'm guessing they got all of those from a Western dictionary. |
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indiercj

Joined: 30 Jan 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 7:51 pm Post subject: |
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Thunndarr

Joined: 30 Sep 2003
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Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 7:52 pm Post subject: Re: More Racism-This time Korean Dictionary |
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Captain Corea wrote: |
GoldMember wrote: |
The most common English-Korean dictionary in Korea is the Sisa Elite, published by YBM.
The Entry for Jew, contains a sentence to illustrate how the word jew is used.
That sentence is, "rich as a Jew",
Other meanings include 사람 수전노, Miser.
Also Jew Down, in Korean is defined as a price discount.
The Entry for Negro, contains various synonyms, such as
Black, Colored Man and *beep*.
This may seem trivial, however in the Korean education system we have kids subjected to racist stereoytpes for 20 years, eventually they become adults and look at the result.
Xenophobic TV programs, articles and government policies. |
I'm guessing they got all of those from a Western dictionary. |
I don't know. I don't think those would fly in a Western dictionary. Sounds more like they picked it up from some kind of slang source of one kind or other.
Edit: Turns out some of that does appear in a dictionary, but tagged offensive.
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Smee

Joined: 24 Dec 2004 Location: Jeollanam-do
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Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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Those are all accurate usages, are they not? Politically incorrect, yes, but words like Jew and Nigger still carry the weight of earlier usages. And, as Captain Corea pointed out, the terms have had a long history before their arrival in Korea. I wish, and I hope, that certain words were tagged with "highly taboo" in the dictionary. For example, you look nigger in an English dictionary and there's no mistaking it for something else. |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Location: Seoul, South Korea
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Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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I've seen a few Korean writing students fall victim to that exact entry. They need to know what to call a black person in English, and the dictionary gives too many choices. One referred to coloured people and I told her never ever to use that term ever again, and the other one used the word nigger, and I told him if he hates blacks he shouldn't study English (using terms that are banned here). Both of them just randomly selected words from the dictionary. |
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SPINOZA
Joined: 10 Jun 2005 Location: $eoul
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Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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Interestingly, look at this Korean word for 'nationalism': 민족주의 (Naver dictionary).
It takes no account of countries where 'race' is completely absent from nationalism (because such countries, like the US, Brazil and Canada, are very multi-racial) yet where nationalism is strong. |
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Smee

Joined: 24 Dec 2004 Location: Jeollanam-do
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Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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You get the same thing on Naver. Four of the five entries for 흑인 are unacceptable, yet they're listed there as if synonyms. http://endic.naver.com/endic.nhn?docid=2950260
My point in my first post wasn't that those words are acceptable, but that they shouldn't just be stricken out of the dictionary. The problem is users---and probably the people making the dictionary, too---don't know the difference. |
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genezorm

Joined: 01 Jul 2007 Location: Mokpo
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Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 8:34 pm Post subject: Re: More Racism-This time Korean Dictionary |
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whatever wrote: |
genezorm wrote: |
Case in point....America. |
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Amazing insight, there. Very consistent with the usual quality of your posts.  |
My case in point was the fact that those usages were taken from American vernacular.
Since my previous post was clearly insufficient, let me elaborate.
I would argue that the YMB/SISA Dictionary editors are not responsible for this racism. I would think that the people working on the dictionary did not get their information from slang in movies. American dictionaries certainly had similar entries until recently.
While calling someone a "Jew" for being cheap is certainly stereotypical and a form of bigotry, it is still used, and I'm sure the majority of Americans know what it means.
The synonyms for Negro, "Black, Colored Man and *beep*" which I assume starts with an "N" are synonyms. Although one highly controversial...Koreans didn't invent the word, and I assume that unfortunately. many Koreans do not know the cultural/historical significance of the word in America.
Yes, Koreans have a lot to learn about racial harmony, but then again who doesn't? Keep in mind, Korea was "The Hermit Kingdom" and has had very limited contact with Europeans, Africans and Americans prior to the 20th century.
Yes, they have outdated, racist terms in their dictionary.
Yes, you should write YBM/Sisa a letter informing them of their cultural insensitivity and explain why these terms are offensive. |
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billybrobby

Joined: 09 Dec 2004
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Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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This really is just a reflection of American racism, but the dictionaries should be careful to mark certain words as slurs. If you click on the entry for n*gger, it is marked as such, but if you look up 흑인, black and n*gger are side-by-side as if they are the same. |
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endo

Joined: 14 Mar 2004 Location: Seoul...my home
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Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 8:40 pm Post subject: |
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Why is it racist to be called RICH?
Jesus Christ! |
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billybrobby

Joined: 09 Dec 2004
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Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 8:49 pm Post subject: |
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SPINOZA wrote: |
Interestingly, look at this Korean word for 'nationalism': 민족주의 (Naver dictionary).
It takes no account of countries where 'race' is completely absent from nationalism (because such countries, like the US, Brazil and Canada, are very multi-racial) yet where nationalism is strong. |
Yes, but right beside it is 국가주의, which to my knowledge has no racial component. This is the problem with interligual dictionaries. Instead of giving an explanation of a word, like in a normal dictionary, they give you a scattershot collection of corresponding words that are often near-misses. 민족 just doesn't exist in English, but the dictionaries tend to obscure this fact. If I really want to know what a word means, I'll look it up in the 국어사전. Also, it impresses the girls. |
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pkang0202

Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 9:11 pm Post subject: |
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The word "fag" is offensive in the US, but I hear its what Britains call a cigarette. I remember cuz in elementary school we would always look up bad words in the dictionary.
When dictionaries have to be politically correct and omit words and phrases, it really does defeat the purpose of a dictionary doesn't it? |
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