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| What is the biggest problem you've had with your hagwon owner? |
| My employer "pocketed" contributions for medical insurance. |
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5% |
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| My employer "pocketed" contributions for the Korean Pension Plan. |
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14% |
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| My employer "pocketed" income tax deductions. |
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0% |
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| My employer didn't pay me on time. |
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28% |
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| My employer didn't deduct income tax according to Korean tax law. |
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2% |
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| My employer didn't specify all my job duties before I signed my labor contract. |
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20% |
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| My employer fired me without a justifiable reason. |
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17% |
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| My employer didn't provide me with a health insurance card. |
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5% |
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| My employer didn't pay me overtime wages for overtime hours worked. |
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5% |
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garykasparov
Joined: 27 May 2007
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| trubadour wrote: |
| i voted for not paying on time, but not paying health insurance was another thing they didn't do |
Those are often common complaints. The people at the National Health Insurance Corporation don't seem to force the hand of hagwon owners to pay unpaid contributions. |
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mspencer1983
Joined: 17 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 4:14 am Post subject: |
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| hubba bubba wrote: |
Week 1: Students are complaining. You should make your classes fun. Play a lot of games. Sing songs, don't make classes hard,it's OK, I will not ire you.
Week 2: Parents are complaining. You are playing too many games. You should have a more serious class, or I will have to fire you.
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A the rock and the hard place EVERY ESL TEACER IN ASIA finds him or herself in. It is really quite laughable.
Teacher A is great because he teaches so much grammar.
Teacher B is great because all his classes are fun.
You are never teacher A or B. As for teacher C, the teacher whose classes are both full of grammar and fun.......they wouldnt have a fuking clue what to do if they ever had one. They would probably fire you, steal all your money and kill your dog because you sat in a chair one day. |
has anyone else worked for a school that demanded you stand up the entire time you teach?? i did and i thought that was the weirdest rule...which definately killed my back after 6 hours....it was the most enforced rule for some reason, and i think if i had to pick 1 thing that consistantly made my days bad...it was that...i mean there were sometimes where sitting in a chair would not have been taking away from their learning, its so stupid. |
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faster
Joined: 03 Sep 2006
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| Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 4:57 am Post subject: |
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| mspencer1983 wrote: |
| yawarakaijin wrote: |
| hubba bubba wrote: |
Week 1: Students are complaining. You should make your classes fun. Play a lot of games. Sing songs, don't make classes hard,it's OK, I will not ire you.
Week 2: Parents are complaining. You are playing too many games. You should have a more serious class, or I will have to fire you.
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A the rock and the hard place EVERY ESL TEACER IN ASIA finds him or herself in. It is really quite laughable.
Teacher A is great because he teaches so much grammar.
Teacher B is great because all his classes are fun.
You are never teacher A or B. As for teacher C, the teacher whose classes are both full of grammar and fun.......they wouldnt have a fuking clue what to do if they ever had one. They would probably fire you, steal all your money and kill your dog because you sat in a chair one day. |
has anyone else worked for a school that demanded you stand up the entire time you teach?? i did and i thought that was the weirdest rule...which definately killed my back after 6 hours....it was the most enforced rule for some reason, and i think if i had to pick 1 thing that consistantly made my days bad...it was that...i mean there were sometimes where sitting in a chair would not have been taking away from their learning, its so stupid. |
I've never had it as a rule, but I always stand up when I teach. It allows me to better see my students, reinforces my authority, and allows me to move around to keep energy up. |
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write of weigh
Joined: 08 Sep 2007
Location: Mars
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| Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 6:19 am Post subject: |
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| Director pocketed all three: insurance, pension, and taxes. what a slime. |
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Young FRANKenstein
Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)
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| Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 5:05 pm Post subject: |
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| With the exception of the job duties option, I've had problems with all of the above at one point or another. One satisfactory hagwon turned to shit after the owners changed hands mid-contract and I got hit with about half of those for the remaining 4 months of my contract. |
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pest2
Joined: 01 Jun 2005
Location: Vancouver, Canada
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| Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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Usually, if the employer isnt doing any of these: tax, pension, med insurance, then that employer isnt doing all of them. If the employer reports an employee to the goverment to get any of those things done, there is a file created for that employee and the employer together and the employer becomes accountable for everything... what is kinda stupid is that immigration doesnt report in on it.. such that if there is an ARC in existence for a certain employer/employee, those should necessarily have pension, tax, etc etc... their system is not only selectively and ill-enforced, its also terribly disorganized.
Actually, I had this very problem at my last employer.. the job was good, otherwise and the director was OK... but he was a cheap-ass scum in the sense that he didnt do the pension, insurance, and I assume he pocketed the tax and lied to me about deducting it to get out of the other two...
I voted with the pension, because it cost me the most money; about 2~3 grand, probably.
If I'd been injured, I found out I could have sued him for the expenses, etc... who knows if my successful suit would have actually been enforced in a way that would have made him actually pay, though.
Another reason NOT to ever work for a Hakwon in Korea! |
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wylies99
Joined: 13 May 2006
Location: I'm one cool cat!
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| Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 4:13 pm Post subject: |
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I've dealt with all of them.  |
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garykasparov
Joined: 27 May 2007
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| Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 9:41 am Post subject: |
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| The results are interesting. As of October 4, 2007 no forum member has voted for "My employer pocketed income tax deductions." |
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pest2
Joined: 01 Jun 2005
Location: Vancouver, Canada
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| Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 2:43 am Post subject: |
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| garykasparov wrote: |
| The results are interesting. As of October 4, 2007 no forum member has voted for "My employer pocketed income tax deductions." |
The poll asks what is the BIGGEST problem. Perhaps people dont usually consider it the biggest problem because those people wouldnt be getting the money either way, anyway... If the Hakwon didnt steal it, the government would have. And, usually if the employer is pocketing the income tax, they're cheating you on more detrimental things as well. |
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Young FRANKenstein
Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)
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| Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 8:23 am Post subject: |
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| garykasparov wrote: |
| The results are interesting. As of October 4, 2007 no forum member has voted for "My employer pocketed income tax deductions." |
| Young FRANKenstein wrote: |
| With the exception of the job duties option, I've had problems with all of the above at one point or another |
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buymybook
Joined: 21 Feb 2005
Location: Telluride
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| Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Roch wrote: |
All of the above have happened to me thus far. An Ewha school tried a home invasion deal on me back in early May, 2002 and it took the U.S. Embassy and Yongsan-gu police to sort it out.
Sparkling!! |
What was the end result once the US Embassy and the policy got involved? |
Really, what did the embassy do, nothing? My former employer entered my house illegally as well, and more. I voted for illegal firing but other things were done to me. I recently filed a criminal complaint against them for breaking/entering etc... I have them on video and submitted the CD to the court.
As soon as the hired locksmith changed the lock I pushed down the deadbolt so they couldn't enter. However, I was then a prisoner in my own home so I also filed a criminal complaint for falsely imprisoning me as they sat outside and stalked me for 10 hours(also caught on video).
They fired me illegally, didn't pay on time/at all. Called Immigration and blacklisted me by telling them that I "ran away and quit job." Three weeks later tried to convince the Labor Ministry that they fired me legally. Kept income tax deductions. Filed a lawsuit against me(which I countered). Assaulted me, spit on me, tried dragging my outside of my place of residence like a dog, and took my luggage out to the street. |
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wylies99
Joined: 13 May 2006
Location: I'm one cool cat!
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| Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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htrain
Joined: 24 May 2007
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| Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 7:08 am Post subject: |
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| buymybook wrote: |
| garykasparov wrote: |
| Roch wrote: |
All of the above have happened to me thus far. An Ewha school tried a home invasion deal on me back in early May, 2002 and it took the U.S. Embassy and Yongsan-gu police to sort it out.
Sparkling!! |
What was the end result once the US Embassy and the policy got involved? |
Really, what did the embassy do, nothing? My former employer entered my house illegally as well, and more. I voted for illegal firing but other things were done to me. I recently filed a criminal complaint against them for breaking/entering etc... I have them on video and submitted the CD to the court.
As soon as the hired locksmith changed the lock I pushed down the deadbolt so they couldn't enter. However, I was then a prisoner in my own home so I also filed a criminal complaint for falsely imprisoning me as they sat outside and stalked me for 10 hours(also caught on video).
They fired me illegally, didn't pay on time/at all. Called Immigration and blacklisted me by telling them that I "ran away and quit job." Three weeks later tried to convince the Labor Ministry that they fired me legally. Kept income tax deductions. Filed a lawsuit against me(which I countered). Assaulted me, spit on me, tried dragging my outside of my place of residence like a dog, and took my luggage out to the street. |
Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner. Holy *beep*. I would have started throwing Jinro molotov c0cktails. Then it would have been in the papers that some "renegade (insert nationality here) teacher went crazy and assaulted Koreans for no apparent reason." |
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buymybook
Joined: 21 Feb 2005
Location: Telluride
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| Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 9:46 pm Post subject: |
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| wylies99 wrote: |
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Who me?
I filed the criminal complaint to the court in August, 2 weeks later in September the cop shop called me so I went there to answer their questions. I assume they will send that information back to the court and Prosecutor.
I was lucky that one Korean person(Language Interpretor) who has been with me on this on and off for about 3 years, lives near the cop shop and met me there on same day notice. Cops called me on a Sat. and I went there that night.
Cops: Why did you wait until now to file the complaint?
Me: Uh, I didn't like the Civil Court decision/process and the Court process took 1 1/2 years and then another 6 months to get my money. And the Free Government Attorney lied to me saying that the court can't simply minus what you owe him from what he owes you because what he owes you is salary money. In the end, the court DID simply subtract what I was suppose to pay them from the salary money they owed me.
Cops: You are too late with the complaint!
Me: Uh, the law is 3 years.
Cops: You are too late!
Me: Uh, look here...See the date on the court stamp? I'm not too late according to YOUR law!
Cops: Yeah but this is Korea and whose house were you in anyway?
Me: The owners who lived above me.
Cops: Who provided the house for you?
Me: My employer, it's in the contract.
Cops: Your employer leased the house, that's what matters, so he can enter.
Me: What? No way!
Cops: He only spit and assaulted you a little bit!
Me: Yeah but, you saw that he spit on me and I wasn't able to video tape everything.
Cops: Anything else?
Me: If I hadn't filed this complaint I would've regretted it for my entire life!
Cops: Oh yeah, good answer! You want to drink some Soju? I am single like you and I am 1 year younger than you.
Me: Right now I'm with my Korean Girlfriend. When my idiot employer goes to jail is when I'll go to the salon bar with you as long as you pay!
Cops: Okay, after that we can go to the Anma next door to the Court House!
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htrain
Joined: 24 May 2007
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| Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 9:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Cops are the same all over the world.... |
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