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whatthefunk
Joined: 21 Apr 2003
Location: Dont have a clue
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| Its a sign of affection. Would you want to be friends with someone who didn't clean themselves properly? |
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Son Deureo!
Joined: 30 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2003 6:46 am Post subject: |
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| Gord wrote: |
| The school policy of where I work at (and I'm told it is also district policy) mandates a very limited capital punishment level. |
While I usually hate to get sucked into pointless flame wars, this typo was too funny not to point out.
No punching is allowed at Gord's school, but capital punishment is.   |
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Drakoi
Joined: 26 Sep 2003
Location: The World
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| Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2003 2:05 pm Post subject: Re: teachers offended by kids |
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| mongrel wrote: |
| Zed, you're exactly right. The thing that can really annoy me is the fact that they wouldn't dream of doing it to a Korean adult. And also when Korean teachers just laugh and say " Oh he/she's so cute". It's not that bigger deal, but it's interesting that they feel that we're not worthy of the same respect as Korean adults. Also a fair indicator as to the attitudes of Korean parents towards us. |
yeah, but I've seen plenty of korean adults do it to each other. so I think it really is more a sign of affection. It's like you can be friends with them because the confucian heirarchy doesn't apply with you. |
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Ilsanman
Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Bucheon, Korea
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| Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2003 7:52 am Post subject: yes |
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It's called Corporal Punishment.
Gord, never ever ever correct anyone else's english if you can not perfect your own.
Anyways, Gord sucks, we have established that. |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England
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| Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2004 4:12 am Post subject: |
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I almost forgot about this Gord. Unfortunately for you, I remembered a previous thread in which you claimed my ass was kicked in this thread. Now, you failed to respond to my last question all that time ago so I reiterate,
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| You've already recanted that you were wildly exaggerating when you said that students were punched. |
Where? |
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2004 4:32 am Post subject: |
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Hagwon teachers ultimately have to accept that they cant win. we're working in the wrong system for that, and it ain't about to change anytime soon.
The whole system at play is that the kids = money for wonjongnim, and they run the place. Punishment/ discipline makes no economic sense: it just drives away customers.
I have spent sleepless nights trying to make all my classes run like well -oiled machines. But in the absence of discipline, there can be no victory. The kids rule.
Accept it, and learn to work with it. I never get stressed about it any more, they can go crazy for all I care- and they will be worse the more you try to force feed them English.
Just sit back and think about what you're going to drink next weekend. The Kids will magically calm down the less you react to them. |
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Homer
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| Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2004 5:17 am Post subject: |
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| Any teaching in your approach there Rapier? |
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2004 5:23 am Post subject: |
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| Homer wrote: |
| Any teaching in your approach there Rapier? |
The kids learn as much as they want to. Don't we all? |
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Alias
Joined: 24 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2004 7:36 am Post subject: |
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"I think it all comes down to the concept that they feel they can get away with more because you cant chew them out in their own language... or call their moms. I've worked in hagwons that completely castrate your power of discipline in the classroom, and once they figure it out, it's a nightmare. "
That sums it up nicely. My students know that I can't understand them when they swear at me and that I do not have the powers that a real teacher in Korea does. No reason to respect the foreign clown. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2004 8:31 am Post subject: |
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Homer wrote:
Any teaching in your approach there Rapier?
The kids learn as much as they want to. Don't we all?
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I think you missed Rapier's point, Homer. Hagwons are private sector operations. The ultimate mandate is giving the customer what they want. If the customer wants teaching, give it to them. If they want something else, give THAT to them.
Say you open a chicken restaurant and nobody comes. So, you switch to beef, and start making money head over heels. Would you listen to someone who complained that you were ignoring your obligation to sell chicken? |
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theatrelily
Joined: 03 Jun 2004
Location: Haeundae-gu, Busan
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| Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2004 8:54 am Post subject: |
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As far as classroom discipline goes, guess I'm pretty lucky. My school has a yellow card/ red card system that works pretty well.
There are classroom rules( that were defined by the foreign and Korean teachers collectively) posted in each room. Break a rule, get a yellow card.
Three yellow cards get you one red card. One red card is detention and a call home to your mother.
Granted, the system only works because of the support we get from our Korean teachers....but thanks to the system all my classes are golden! My kids are great.... 
When the kids talk to me in a way that I don't like, I simply explain to them why and I've never had any problems...
However, I do realize that my situation is unique... |
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Blind Willie
Joined: 05 May 2004
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| Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2004 9:21 am Post subject: |
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| Hagwons are private sector operations. The ultimate mandate is giving the customer what they want. If the customer wants teaching, give it to them. If they want something else, give THAT to them. |
This is true, and unfortunately something I needed to be reminded of last week when I tossed a kid out for being disruptive beyond the norm. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2004 9:42 am Post subject: |
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On the other hand wrote:
Hagwons are private sector operations. The ultimate mandate is giving the customer what they want. If the customer wants teaching, give it to them. If they want something else, give THAT to them.
This is true, and unfortunately something I needed to be reminded of last week when I tossed a kid out for being disruptive beyond the norm.
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Are you saying that your actions were consistent with what I wrote? If so, I agree. Just because a hagwon isn't functioning as a real school doesn't mean one kid can disrupt the proceedings. Movie theatres aren't schools either, but they can still eject patrons for talking too loudly.
And for the record, most of my own classes are closer to being education than entertainment, simply because that's what the customers seem to want. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2004 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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However, I do realize that my situation is unique... |
Sadly enough it would seem so, judging by the replies in this thread.
I don't understand why teachers would permit kids to poke them, climb on them, or assault them. I teach all levels from kindy to middle school and not a one of my students would dream of doing such a thing. Nor would they think of not adding a 'yo' to the end of most sentences (at least not after the first couple of weeks) Set the classroom rules the day you walk in there. First and foremost: 'DON't disrespect the foreign teacher, or I will "disrespect" you. You will not like that.'
That said, you don't have to implement a Stalin-like control over your classes. A certain amount of horseplay and joking between the students is permitted. They are kids and you have to expect them to blow off steam. But once you tell them to be quiet and settle down, you should have them trained well enough to only say it once.
Another golden rule is that I NEVER wrestle or engage in physical horseplay with my students. How do you expect them to treat you with respect if they see you as just an overgrown member of their kind?
Create a aura of untouchability and the respect (or awe) will follow.
As far as the rest of your rules go, ensure that they are fair, but enforced every single time. Kids thrive on predictability, and this is more true the younger they are. |
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uberscheisse
Joined: 02 Dec 2003
Location: japan is better than korea.
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one of my students saw a picture of my sister in my class. my sister is about 250 pounds. he giggled and said "ooh, teacha - PIG"
and i sent him to the corner. yeah i know he's a kid, but you don't talk about my sister like that.
that's about the only time being 'offended' has ever affected my classroom. |
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