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desperation
Joined: 17 Apr 2007
Location: Those who know, won't say and those who say, don't know. Welcome to Dave's !
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| wo buxihuan hanguoren wrote: |
| Okay, I will give you that. Freud bores me. But you will admit that coke was the fuel for his cheap-ass psychology, non? |
Fuel? I'd call it inspiration. You look at all the brightest stars in the worlds of the arts and politics and philosophy. The best ones tended to get inspired to get all jiggy on a topic with a libational vice of some sort or another. I don't really hold it against them or see it as a disqualifying factor. Work is boring unless its fun, WORD! I'd be piecing together the chapters of my already mostly written book right now if'in I was a drinker, which I ain't! Too bad I wrote that stuff highly inspired within the sanctity of my NY state of mind!  |
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itaewonguy
Joined: 25 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 6:37 am Post subject: |
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| Medications save lives. It's as simple as that. They also improve lives for millions of people. |
I agree 100% that certain medications save lives! I hope that I didnt give the impression that I was talking about all drugs are not necessary of course certain drugs are important and life changing!
I was talking about depression drugs! now for some people who are weak spirited and have an addictive personality, weak minded, cant control their depression, then yes Drugs are needed for these weak humans who have given up and dont have what it takes to achieve!
addicts is a great example here!
how many smokers have you met! who just cant quit! how many drinkers, blar blar blar.. they are weak! becuase they choose to be!
many people quit! becuase they choose too..
I agree drugs help depression!BUT doesnt cure it.. the cure is within you..
not what you put in you..
of course its so much easier to eat the drugs! man I probably would too..
you have to be a very spiritual and determind individual to be able to cure yourself! and then you would not bef ully cured for ever! like I said in my second post.. you will spend the rest of your life dealing with temptation (evil thoughts what ever they may be) and that is enough to depress anyone!
its possible! to be free just need to find that strength... |
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desperation
Joined: 17 Apr 2007
Location: Those who know, won't say and those who say, don't know. Welcome to Dave's !
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| Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 6:44 am Post subject: |
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| itaewonguy wrote: |
| jajdude wrote: |
| Medications save lives. It's as simple as that. They also improve lives for millions of people. |
I agree drugs help depression!BUT doesnt cure it.. the cure is within you..
not what you put in you..
its possible! to be free just need to find that strength... |
Some people need to have chemicals to sedate them or to dilute the heavy concentration of nuttiness chemicals their brains put out. Some of them are always that way as kids and adults and can't, actually never will be able to fathom self transformation, let alone make it work on a biochemical level because they're too dain bramaged to do so. In fact, if we're talking about americans, I'd say that's a good number of the nutjobs yonder. Gotta go, time for my meds (I WISH) ! |
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wo buxihuan hanguoren
Joined: 18 Apr 2007
Location: Suyuskis
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| Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 6:50 am Post subject: |
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| desperation wrote: |
| itaewonguy wrote: |
| jajdude wrote: |
| Medications save lives. It's as simple as that. They also improve lives for millions of people. |
I agree drugs help depression!BUT doesnt cure it.. the cure is within you..
not what you put in you..
its possible! to be free just need to find that strength... |
Some people need to have chemicals to sedate them or to dilute the heavy concentration of nuttiness chemicals their brains put out. Some of them are always that way as kids and adults and can't, actually never will be able to fathom self transformation, let alone make it work on a biochemical level because they're too dain bramaged to do so. In fact, if we're talking about americans, I'd say that's a good number of the nutjobs yonder. Gotta go, time for my meds (I WISH) ! |
Dain bramaged.
Have you found what we are looking for yet?
Correct!
The answer is,
Magnesium. |
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desperation
Joined: 17 Apr 2007
Location: Those who know, won't say and those who say, don't know. Welcome to Dave's !
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| Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 6:59 am Post subject: |
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| wo buxihuan hanguoren wrote: |
Dain bramaged.
Have you found what we are looking for yet?
Correct!
The answer is,
Magnesium. |
Its something far more 'delicious" Darling, but it can't be found in this backward Gilligan's Island. 
"Is it so delisssious?" "Yes, it is veddy, veddy delisssious and handsome! |
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Kepler
Joined: 24 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 8:00 am Post subject: |
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I've tried many anti-depressant medications, but they didn't do anything for me. I'm sure that there are some people that do find relief from them and I'm happy for them.
That being said, I've seen a lot of examples of people who probably take anti depressant medications to avoid dealing with the root causes of their problems. The last state I lived in before coming to Korea was Utah. Utah is the state with the highest rate of anti-depressant use in the US. Psychiatrists there are very fully booked. |
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jajdude
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 12:28 pm Post subject: |
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| You know, it is useless to present facts to some people. Antidepressants save and improve lives. That's a fact. If it isn't a real, personal and pressing issue for you, why pronounce your convictions to those of us who know better? If it were an issue for you, you'd know this. Some reading might help if you cared to know. There are numerous message boards on the internet full of "weak" people, who without their antidepressants, might very well be dead people. |
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Yaya
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 2:46 am Post subject: |
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| Kepler wrote: |
I've tried many anti-depressant medications, but they didn't do anything for me. I'm sure that there are some people that do find relief from them and I'm happy for them.
That being said, I've seen a lot of examples of people who probably take anti depressant medications to avoid dealing with the root causes of their problems. The last state I lived in before coming to Korea was Utah. Utah is the state with the highest rate of anti-depressant use in the US. Psychiatrists there are very fully booked. |
Wow, Utah? I'd think the Mormons would be happy people. |
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kermo
Joined: 01 Sep 2004
Location: Eating eggs, with a comb, out of a shoe.
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| Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 2:56 am Post subject: |
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You don't have to have problems to be depressed. I've certainly had days where I ask myself "Why the hell do I feel so rotten? There's nothing wrong!" Clinical depression, Mr. Armchair Psychologist, is a feeling caused by a chemical, and sometimes that chemical is the SOLE cause of a host of perceived ills. If you do a little reading about psychology (rather than the self-help section), you'll find that our behaviour, emotions and perceptions are government by very subtle nudges deep in the machinery of our minds where heavy-handed, well-meaning inspirational speeches cannot tread.
My father sometimes forgets to take his medication, and he notices a huge change in his behaviour and attititudes. Recently he told me about an example of this, where he didn't realize he had forgotten his medication until he found himself lying awake at night crying about an abandoned child he happened to meet. Abandoned child? Definitely sad. Being unable to control that sadness? Not normal at all. |
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merkurix
Joined: 21 Dec 2006
Location: Not far from the deep end.
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| Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 3:50 am Post subject: |
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| jajdude wrote: |
| You know, it is useless to present facts to some people. Antidepressants save and improve lives. That's a fact. If it isn't a real, personal and pressing issue for you, why pronounce your convictions to those of us who know better? |
God knows some people are still trying very hard.
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jajdude
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 1:35 pm Post subject: |
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| kermo wrote: |
If you do a little reading about psychology (rather than the self-help section), you'll find that our behaviour, emotions and perceptions are governed by very subtle nudges deep in the machinery of our minds where heavy-handed, well-meaning inspirational speeches cannot tread.
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I like this. You simply cannot tell the well-meaning, though, who have not tread the path. Reading aside, nothing like a trip down the lane to convince a naysayer. Ask one with a decade or more of real experience sometime. |
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ceesgetdegrees
Joined: 12 Jul 2007
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BLACK BOX RECORDER
Child Psychology
(Haines & Moore)
I stopped talking when I was six years old
I didn't want anything more to do with the outside world
I was happy being quiet
But of course they wouldn't leave me alone
My parents tried every trick in the book
From speech therapists to child psychologists
They even tried bribery
I could have anything, as long as I said it out loud
Life is unfair, kill yourself or get over it
Life is unfair, kill yourself or get over it
Of course this episode didn't last forever
I'd made my point and it was time to move on
To peel away the next layer of deceit
And see what new surprises lay in store
My school report said I showed no interest
'A disruptive influence' I felt sorry for them in a way
And when they finally expelled me
It didn't mean a thing
Life is unfair, kill yourself or get over it
Life is unfair, kill yourself or get over it
("At that time she stopped what she was doing, she stopped playing... she stared, she had the
facial grimicing... and then the psychiatrist was saying, "Julie, Julie, can you hear me? Can you
open your eyes? Can you stick out your tongue?" And all of a sudden, Julie struck out")
The November when I came home the Christmas decorations were already up
Spray on snow, coloured flashing lights
And an artificial tree that played Silent Night
Over and over again
My parents welcomed me with loving arms
But within an hour were back at each others throats
Normal, happy childhood back on course
Batteries not included
Life is unfair, kill yourself or get over it
Life is unfair, kill yourself or get over it
Life is unfair, kill yourself or get over it
Life is unfair, kill yourself or get over it |
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kermo
Joined: 01 Sep 2004
Location: Eating eggs, with a comb, out of a shoe.
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| Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 5:10 pm Post subject: |
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You don't have to have problems to be depressed. I've certainly had days where I ask myself "Why the hell do I feel so rotten? There's nothing wrong!" Clinical depression, Mr. Armchair Psychologist, is a feeling caused by a chemical, and sometimes that chemical is the SOLE cause of a host of perceived ills. If you do a little reading about psychology (rather than the self-help section), you'll find that our behaviour, emotions and perceptions are government by very subtle nudges deep in the machinery of our minds where heavy-handed, well-meaning inspirational speeches cannot tread.
My father sometimes forgets to take his medication, and he notices a huge change in his behaviour and attititudes. Recently he told me about an example of this, where he didn't realize he had forgotten his medication until he found himself lying awake at night crying about an abandoned child he happened to meet. Abandoned child? Definitely sad. Being unable to control that sadness? Not normal at all. |
I think the above post was written with a bit more rancour than usual. I apologize for being snarky, but I just get really riled up when I hear depressed people being kicked while they're down. Maybe it's meant as an encouraging boot, but it's still a kick and it's not very helpful. |
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itaewonguy
Joined: 25 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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| jajdude wrote: |
| You know, it is useless to present facts to some people. Antidepressants save and improve lives. That's a fact. If it isn't a real, personal and pressing issue for you, why pronounce your convictions to those of us who know better? If it were an issue for you, you'd know this. Some reading might help if you cared to know. There are numerous message boards on the internet full of "weak" people, who without their antidepressants, might very well be dead people. |
I dont want to get into a debate with you on this because the benefits run both ways.. it works for some and not for others..
but dude.. ask yourself this? you have been taking anti depressants since 1996 straight.. thats 10 years.. and you are still dealing with depression
its pretty safe to say you are far from cured right?
how about trying something else? millions of sufferers are on anti depressants for years and years and cant get off them, because they help
yes they help! but they dont cure! the cure is out there you just need to believe it.. like I said.. its so much easier to pop a pill and feel better!
but the come downs!!! OUCH!! |
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Harpeau
Joined: 01 Feb 2003
Location: Coquitlam, BC
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| Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 9:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Whether a person takes insulin for diabetes or prozac for depression, it's all the same. They can help an individual lead a normal life. You're not going to ask someone to toss their insulin, so why ask another to toss their prozac~ or whatever?! It does not have to be such an "emotional issue". |
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