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On the subject of the op, BTW, the site knows next to nothing about the site. On one page here he cleverly shows a cached version of a page with vandalism.

http://www.wikipedia-watch.org/vandals.html

Ooh, you used MSN's cached copy. Nice work. Or, you could have just looked at the page history since it's still there:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jens_Stoltenberg&oldid=27812612

Followed by this quote:

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The point though, is that Wiki is so easy to vandalize and often takes them a long time to correct, and many people (unlike yourself) will take what they read at face value. This is exacerbated by the fact that Wiki articles feed directly into other sites, like Answers.com etc.

I like what they did to Bill Gates.


Furthermore:

http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/Wikipedia.html

Disgruntled people at odds with Wikipedia are numerous. The "pseudophysicist" (to quote Wikipedia) Jack Sarfatti considers himself to be a victim of the service and even considered litigation at one point. He found that certain libellous information had been posted about him. Of course, he, like anyone else, can go in and alter that information, which is what he tried to do. He tried posting at various times of the day, but each time, within minutes, the changes were undone-suggesting that the Wikipedia moderators were constantly monitoring certain pages. When he dug further, he came to the conclusion that Wikipedia seemed to be in the hands of a group of sceptical minds, intent on making sure there were no mysteries and no conspiracies.
Indeed, when you consult a variety of subjects on Wikipedia, you will notice a certain "mindset" that excludes certain opinions. Just two examples...
Paul Smith is an ardent sceptic of the Rennes-le-Chateau and Priory of Sion mysteries (which are at the core of Dan Brown's The Da Vinci Code) and is responsible for most of the Wikipedia entries on the subject. Some of these entries are blatantly biased and others contain serious factual errors. In both instances, I adjusted the wording and removed the errors. At no point did this mean that the Priory was depicted as genuine-far from it. In fact, I felt that an error-free posting would actually bring enhanced value to the entry. In this case, the entries remained up for a number of months, but then were returned to their negative, erroneous entries. The "Wikipedia Police" should have seen that the new entry was less neutral and more biased than what was on there, but they did not revert to the previous version. The question is: why prefer erroneous information over more neutral wordings? No wonder that experts find numerous errors in every article on Wikipedia...when Wikipedia seems to prefer to promote errors over factual statements.
I also tried to add further information about dissenting theories on the Corpus Hermeticum, specifically the work of Leiden University professor Bruno Stricker, giving due reference to his name and publications (including his PhD thesis). In this instance, Wikipedia moderators removed the section themselves, stating that I needed to give "more sources"-though I had actually given more sources than most of the other statements that maintain the status quo in this entry, namely that the Corpus is a second- or third-century AD creation rather than a third-century BC codification, as Stricker (and others) argue.
Examples of such unprofessional editing, with a bias towards maintaining the status quo and specifically downplaying if not removing controversial information, run into the hundreds if not thousands. Paul Joseph Watson of Prison Planet (http://www.prisonplanet.com) has noted there is a concerted campaign to erase the 9/11 Truth Movement. Furthermore, pages which they and like-minded individuals created, such as "List of Republican sex scandals", "People questioning the 9/11 Commission Report" and "Movement to impeach George W. Bush" were all deleted. The first-mentioned page might indeed not be seen as important in an encyclopaedic environment, but the "wiki" (a page in the encyclopaedia) for Dylan Avery, the producer of the most-watched documentary film in Internet history, clearly merits a biographical page on an online encyclopaedia. Wikipedia, however, thought otherwise.
These are just some of the examples that people have experienced with the "service". At best, it is clear that the moderators have never been trained or validated for their credentials. But Sarfatti has also drawn attention to the so-called "Wikipedia arbitration", which Wales has seen as the "self-cleaning" and the deus ex machina designed to re-establish Wikipedia's credibility-even though he elected a college drop-out to preside over it.

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http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/Wikipedia.html

When lies cause detention
So far, only a few egos seem to have been bruised. But Robert Fisk, in the British newspaper The Independent, reported on 21 April 2007 on the experience of Taner Ak�am, a Turkish historian and writer. Ak�am faces prosecution in Turkey for writing about the Armenian genocide. However, due to the vandalising of Ak�am's Wikipedia entry, which accused him of being a member of a terrorist group, he was detained by Canadian border police on 17 February 2007. This is acknowledged in the Wikipedia entry, which can now only be edited by registered users-though anyone can still register for free, and registration only leaves some trace of who made the entry, nothing more.
Taner Ak�am wrote to Fisk, stating: "Additional to the criminal investigation (law 301) in Turkey, there is a hate campaign going on here in the USA, as a result of which I cannot travel internationally any more... My recent detention at the Montreal airport-apparently on the basis of anonymous insertions in my Wikipedia biography-signals a disturbing new phase in a Turkish campaign of intimidation that has intensified since the November 2006 publication of my book."
Fisk continued: "Ak�am was released, but his reflections on this very disturbing incident are worth recording. 'It was unlikely, to say the least, that a Canadian immigration officer found out that I was coming to Montreal, took the sole initiative to research my identity on the internet, discovered the archived version of my Wikipedia biography, printed it out on 16 February, and showed it to me-voila!-as a result.'
"But this was not the end. Prior to his Canadian visit, two Turkish-American websites had been hinting that Ak�am's 'terrorist activities' should be of interest to American immigration authorities. And sure enough, Ak�am was detained yet again-for another hour-by US Homeland Security officers at Montreal airport before boarding his flight at Montreal for Minnesota two days later.
"On this occasion, he says that the American officer-US Homeland Security operates at the Canadian airport-gave him a warning: 'Mr Ak�am, if you don't retain an attorney and correct this issue, every entry and exit from the country is going to be problematic. We recommend that you do not travel in the meantime and that you try to get this information removed from your customs dossier.'
"So let's get this clear," Fisk continued. "US and Canadian officials now appear to be detaining the innocent on the grounds of hate postings on the internet. And it is the innocent-guilty until proved otherwise, I suppose-who must now pay lawyers to protect them from Homeland Security and the internet. But as Ak�am says, there is nothing he can do," he concluded.
As the platform on which this false propaganda was offered, Wikipedia should accept part of the blame.

Regarding the time taken ...

http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/Wikipedia.html

But the ominous sign here was that Wikipedia was slow to react. Seigenthaler noticed that his "biography" was altered on 26 May 2005. On 29 May, one of the site's moderators edited it only by correcting the misspelling of the word "early" but did not check the other, much more serious, alterations. For four months, Wikipedia depicted him as a suspected assassin before this mention was erased from the website's history on 5 October-but it remained on Answers.com and Reference.com for three more weeks.
Daniel Brandt, a San Antonio�based activist who started the anti-Wikipedia site Wikipedia Watch (http://www.wikipedia-watch.org) in response to problems he had with his eponymous article, looked up the IP address in Seigenthaler's article and found that it related to Rush Delivery, a company in Nashville. On 9 December 2005, its employee Brian Chase admitted that he had placed the false information in Seigenthaler's Wikipedia biography.
End of story, it seemed, with the lesson learned that Wikipedia could be an excellent tool to spread disinformation-a lesson few people realised at the time. And though Wikipedia should have reacted, it didn't.
Though Seigenthaler's case received much notoriety, his was definitely not the only case. By December 2006, Brandt had listed several instances of erroneous entries as well as massive amounts of entries literally copied from copyright-protected material.

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So it would appear that this thread is really just about conspiracy theorists criticizing Wikipedia.

Let them have at it, it keeps them out of more pernicious trouble.

[cbclark4]

The Wiki is merely a point of reference as is any other media.
It is not intended as the end all of authority.

Neither is a movie or a history book.
All frames of reference should be considered.

That's what well balanced research is all about.

Expecting absolute truth from any one given source is lunacy.

Facts, opinions and perceptions should be weighed according to your value of the source.

In the end the final corruption to any research is the bias of the researcher.

What are the arguments against E=MC^2 for instance?

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"Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth."
-Albert Einstein

http://www.anti-relativity.com/

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