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arjuna
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igotthisguitar
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That's right. Still, the list goes on further than that.
Some pretty spooky concidences.
Can almost make a person think  |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| "A simple investigation -- that's all they have to do," said Joe Meadors, a Liberty survivor. "Find out what happened. If anybody did anything wrong, punish them." |
Does that sound so unreasonable to you?
Shouldn't we finally discover the truth of why 34 patriotic Americans were murdered? |
There have been investigations several of them. . Actually I don't see any problem with another however the result won't be any different and then they will be calls for another investigation afterwards.
In the US system I believe to have a new investigation they needs to be new evidence and there hasn't been any.
Those are the facts cause you don't like them doesn't mean they are any less true. |
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dogbert
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| Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 4:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
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| "A simple investigation -- that's all they have to do," said Joe Meadors, a Liberty survivor. "Find out what happened. If anybody did anything wrong, punish them." |
Does that sound so unreasonable to you?
Shouldn't we finally discover the truth of why 34 patriotic Americans were murdered? |
There have been investigations several of them. . Actually I don't see any problem with another however the result won't be any different and then they will be calls for another investigation afterwards.
In the US system I believe to have a new investigation they needs to be new evidence and there hasn't been any.
Those are the facts cause you don't like them doesn't mean they are any less true. |
The facts are American sailors died because the Israeli military killed them. One would have to be extremely naive to buy the lie that the Israelis thought it was an Egyptian ship.
Why are you calling Joe Meadors a liar? |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 4:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
In many cases, Kuros, not even "allies" are truly "friends"; just those who, for the time being at least, share at least some vital interests on one or another issue.
"Friends" in world affairs are rare. America's are probably limited to the Western-European democracies. I would hesitate to ever put Tel Aviv in that category. |
I agree with Gopher on this one. After all, it is said Britain purposely put weapons on certain ships during World War I so Americans could get killed and then America would have to enter the war, not that the president didn't want to get involved.
As far as Israel, it is not in the same category as France, England, and Germany. Those countries like most Americans are Christian-based and don't have sectarian, religious suspicion or that kind of separation.
Israel has had agents who attacked Western targets in Egypt to upset those Western powers when it comes to Egypt. I am not saying other countries are saints since I mentioned the Lusitania and World War I.
I think it is very possible that Israel did hit the USS Liberty. They may have not wanted the U.S. to see what exactly was going on. At that time, the US and Israel, however, were not really allies. The US became an ally in a very close way after 1967. The French were their main backers before that. Anything is possible in politics. Even if Israel purposely attacked the Liberty, I seriously doubt there would be a repeat of it.
The Israel of 1967 had a different relationship with the US and mindset somewhat than the one of 2007. That must be factored in. If it was on purpose, it was terrible. I personally think air planes can tell what
an American ship with an American flag looks like. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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| dogbert wrote: |
| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| dogbert wrote: |
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| "A simple investigation -- that's all they have to do," said Joe Meadors, a Liberty survivor. "Find out what happened. If anybody did anything wrong, punish them." |
Does that sound so unreasonable to you?
Shouldn't we finally discover the truth of why 34 patriotic Americans were murdered? |
There have been investigations several of them. . Actually I don't see any problem with another however the result won't be any different and then they will be calls for another investigation afterwards.
In the US system I believe to have a new investigation they needs to be new evidence and there hasn't been any.
Those are the facts cause you don't like them doesn't mean they are any less true. |
The facts are American sailors died because the Israeli military killed them. One would have to be extremely naive to buy the lie that the Israelis thought it was an Egyptian ship.
Why are you calling Joe Meadors a liar? |
I am saying he is wrong , I don't know what the reasons for him saying what he does are.
If the Israelis intended to sink the Ship as part of a grand conspiracy they would have probably hit it with heavy bombs or used a submarine.
Plus you don' t have any motive either for Isreal to attack the boat or for the US to cover it up since the US and Israel were not particularly close in 1967.
Also if it as claimed that Israel jammed the communcations ( which is probably impossible) than Israel would have been able to prevent the liberty from getting any info without attacking it.
The NSA has also released the tapes.
Plus no one has really explained how the liberty could see what was going on at the time in was a ship in 1967. The US has a hard time seeing what is going on in combat zones in 2007 |
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igotthisguitar
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Apparently the ISRAELIS were making fun & games out of slaughtering Egyptian prisoners in the desert.
The Liberty was gathering intelligence on them
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The facts are American sailors died because the Israeli military killed them. One would have to be extremely naive to buy the lie that the Israelis thought it was an Egyptian ship.
Why are you calling Joe Meadors a liar? |
Fits with the job description?
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 6:14 pm Post subject: |
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How would the liberty exactly find out what they were doing?
Did it like have visual cameras that could see? |
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