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reactionary



Joined: 22 Oct 2006
Location: korreia

PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 7:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah, nazism didn't have quite the negative impact in asia as it did in europe.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Rabe

and of course this fellow does little to exonerate the japanese in the eyes of asians:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiune_Sugihara

one of my professors as a child was actually helped by the man above
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Scotticus



Joined: 18 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 7:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tiger fancini wrote:
I'd like to see some Bolshevik-Marxist-Leninist bars opening up. Just to add a bit of balance.


Oh man, I'd totally frequent a Marxist bar. Would bring me back to my undergrad days... *sigh*
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RACETRAITOR



Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea

PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 7:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So anyone find a source for this yet? I am serious about going down there to show White solidarity.
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Alan Partidge



Joined: 29 Nov 2005

PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 8:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It was in yesterday's Korean Herald. Apparently it's in the northern part of Seoul, but they didn't want to say where exactly.

I went to a bar dedicated to Marx and Lenin in Vilnius. IIRC they had busts of Marx and Lenin, and the male staff members were dressed up in military uniforms. It was called The Iron Wolf.
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RACETRAITOR



Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea

PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 8:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alan Partidge wrote:
It was in yesterday's Korean Herald. Apparently it's in the northern part of Seoul, but they didn't want to say where exactly.


If it's the one in Uijungbu, old news.
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mindmetoo



Joined: 02 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alyallen wrote:
mindmetoo wrote:
The interview kind of revealed what's behind this. The Korean doesn't understand the history. Who understands the history of a people on the other side of the world? He just saw some cool uniforms, some guys pumped full of energy, victorious warriors. Hey, that would make a cool bar!


Come on now!

How can he not know that the Germans were teamed up with the hated Japanese?

I call *beep* on that explanation...


Because Asians would like to believe Japan was the sole architect of their suffering.
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mindmetoo



Joined: 02 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scotticus wrote:
tiger fancini wrote:
I'd like to see some Bolshevik-Marxist-Leninist bars opening up. Just to add a bit of balance.


Oh man, I'd totally frequent a Marxist bar. Would bring me back to my undergrad days... *sigh*


I'm gonna name my crab shack "The Pol Crab Pot".
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Swiss James



Joined: 26 Nov 2003
Location: Shanghai

PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 9:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

billybrobby wrote:
Why's it always Nazi bars? Why not a home improvement store? After all, the Nazis made sturdy showers and ovens.


They could call it "The Final Ablution"
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Yaya



Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 3:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nazi bar disturbs foreign community
By Yoav Cerralbo ([email protected])
2007.10.08

Imagine this: The Nazi swastika hanging over a 20-something woman crying in disbelief over the horrible image that has appeared in her country.
No, this is not a scene from a new Hollywood movie and no, this is not an article revisiting the past; this is about a Nazi-themed bar/noraebang in a northern city of Seoul.

"I feel repulsed, outraged, and disgusted," said Israeli Ambassador Yigal Caspi. "Koreans, like Jews, suffered seriously during World War II and it is deplorable to see that some people are blatantly neglecting to understand the suffering of others."

Caspi's outrage is felt within the entire diplomatic community, both foreign and domestic.

From every part of the world, ambassadors have strongly condemned this bar in the harshest rhetoric, and, in a way, have unified the diplomatic corps to take strong action against this establishment.

So as to not give them any publicity, the establishment and city in question will remain nameless in this article.

During an interview with The Korea Herald, the bar owner, who didn't want to be identified, said that he got the idea from watching World War II movies whereas the Nazis are characters in a movie.

The reason why he opened a bar with this theme was "I wanted to be different," the owner said.

"This is a part of European history and that's what we want to show," he added.

Yet, the question about celebrating an ideology that spewed hatred, inequality and ethnic cleansing in an establishment where people go to escape the hardships of life didn't come to mind for the owner.

"I never thought about it," he said.

Ukraine Ambassador Ukraine Yurii Mushka said: "This is not something you can play with. Fifty million people died. Nazi propaganda is condemned in a democratic and progressive world."

"All Nazi symbols have been prohibited by the Nuremberg trials all over the world. I can't believe that in a country like Korea it's allowed," Mushka added.

Slovakian Ambassador Pavel Hrmo, also stunned in disbelief, asked if this was legal.

According to Korean law, the bar owner is in full compliance with all rules and regulations.

The city in question confirmed that they do not have any bad-taste laws and that when one registers a business neither the Tax District Office and the Environmental Hygiene Division requires investigation into the specific nature of the registered business.

According to the Environmental Hygiene Division, the Nazi-theme bar in question is registered with City Hall and there have been no complaints filed.

But standing outside this downtown bar on a busy Saturday night one cannot miss the disgust in many people's faces upon seeing the sign.

Arian, a Filipino worker stood there in shock asking, "Does the owner know that Hitler considered Asians inferior?"

"I never thought about that," said the owner.

Finnish Ambassador Kim Luotonen said, "I can't understand this, maybe if he didn't read the history then it would be one thing."

Inside the bar there is a large famous poster of a Nazi soldier pointing a rifle. The picture has been cropped. The original shows a Jewish boy in tears on the other end of that rifle.

"There is no excuse for this, not only in Europe but anywhere in the world," said Bulgarian Ambassador Alexander Savov while expressing his outrage.

This is not the first time a Nazi-themed bar has reared its ugly head in the land of the morning calm.

In 2002, before the World Cup kicked off, Seoul City Hall and the Embassies of Israel and Germany visited the owner of a similar establishment to explain to him about the embarrassment a bar of this kind would bring to Korea. He changed his bar's theme.

There are also rumors of one in Busan.

The bar owner has refused to call back The Korea Herald for a follow-up interview to clarify some of his responses.

Response from the German and Israeli Embassies and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs was quick. All are looking for ways to have the owner change the theme to something more tasteful.

"But first and most of all, I hope the Korean public see the imprudent act of the bar owner and react against it to force him to take down all the Nazi memorabilia," Caspi said.
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Vicissitude



Joined: 27 Feb 2007
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 3:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it's pretty obvious that the sole reason for such a theme is to antagonize the foreign community. It's plain to see that Korea has no interest in maintaining good relations with the western international community unless it's to sell their JUNK. Daewoo JUNK comes immediately to mind. That company supports genocide in Myanmar by investing in the junta and providing them with the means to mass produce artillery. If Koreans think it'll make them money...
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RACETRAITOR



Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea

PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 3:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yaya wrote:
"All Nazi symbols have been prohibited by the Nuremberg trials all over the world. I can't believe that in a country like Korea it's allowed," Mushka added.


Uh, what?
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 4:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Someone should send a copy of the article to the EU delegation negotiating a free trade agreement with SK.
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mindmetoo



Joined: 02 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 4:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RACETRAITOR wrote:
Yaya wrote:
"All Nazi symbols have been prohibited by the Nuremberg trials all over the world. I can't believe that in a country like Korea it's allowed," Mushka added.


Uh, what?


Ditto.
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Young FRANKenstein



Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)

PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 6:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RACETRAITOR wrote:
Yaya wrote:
"All Nazi symbols have been prohibited by the Nuremberg trials all over the world. I can't believe that in a country like Korea it's allowed," Mushka added.


Uh, what?

I guess France is considered all over the world?
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Ilsanman



Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Bucheon, Korea

PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 6:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In Austria and some other countries, praising nazis or denying/ questioning the holocaust is a hate crime punishable by prison time.


Young FRANKenstein wrote:
RACETRAITOR wrote:
Yaya wrote:
"All Nazi symbols have been prohibited by the Nuremberg trials all over the world. I can't believe that in a country like Korea it's allowed," Mushka added.


Uh, what?

I guess France is considered all over the world?
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