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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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It depends they are not doing it just cause they hate Bush I think they do it cause they want to weaken or overthrow the US government - not only Bush. It is not just them against Bush.
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Well, lots of people want to overthrow the US government, Joo. Conspiracy theorists, Trostskyists, Maoists, right-wing gun nuts, etc. If you want to prosecute everyone who ever publically fantasized about overthrowing the US government, that's gonna be a pretty major backlof in the courts. |
It is not about publicly fantasizing about overthrowing the govt it is about putting their plans in action using disinformation. |
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Kuros
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| Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 4:03 am Post subject: |
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If people go around saying that Bush bombed up the world trade center it is probably intentional disinformation and slander.
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I don't think that the slander laws apply to well-known political leaders in quite the same way that they apply to everyone else. I'm no legal scholar, but it would seem to me that the fact that you're already in a powerful office, and making life-or-death decisions on a regular basis, puts you in a somewhat different category than the average person. |
It depends they are not doing it just cause they hate Bush I think they do it cause they want to weaken or overthrow the US government - not only Bush. It is not just them against Bush. |
OTOH is right.
There is privilege for speech aimed at criticizing a candidate/elected official's fitness for office. This is partly because a candidate/elected official should have their fitness for office openly questioned. It is also because a candidate/elected official may rebut false claims openly in the media.
Speech which is deliberately false may be punished, but the burden of proof would be on a candidate/elected official. IOW, the candidate/elected official would have to prove that the defaming party knowingly lied (or recklessly defamed without any care for the truth of the matter). The standards of evidence here would be high. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 6:00 am Post subject: |
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9-11 conspiracy sites are put together by people who know the info they are giving out is false.
It is not stupid crazy people looking for the truth -it is an intentional effort at misinformation.
It is done for a purpose and what these creeps are doing is enemy propaganda because they want the US govt weakened or weakened.
They are knowing making false statements and they ought to be subject to class action law suits for it. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 7:42 am Post subject: |
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9-11 conspiracy sites are put together by people who know the info they are giving out is false.
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Possibly, but I don't see how you would begin proving in court that the webmasters know the information is false.
Joo, you follow these conspiracy guys fairly closely. How many times have you come accross one of them openly admitting that he knows he's promoting falsehood?
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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OPERATION NORTHWOODS
Spartan Psychopaths' Disclosure
By ROBERT BURNS, AP Military Writer
Tue Oct 9, 4:14 AM ET
WASHINGTON - In one of the longest-held secrets of the Cold War, the U.S. Army explored the potential for using radioactive poisons to assassinate "important individuals" such as military or civilian leaders, according to newly declassified documents obtained by The Associated Press.
Approved at the highest levels of the Army in 1948, the effort was a well-hidden part of the military's pursuit of a "new concept of warfare" using radioactive materials from atomic bombmaking to contaminate swaths of enemy land or to target military bases, factories or troop formations.
Military historians who have researched the broader radiological warfare program said in interviews that they had never before seen evidence that it included pursuit of an assassination weapon. Targeting public figures in such attacks is not unheard of; just last year an unknown assailant used a tiny amount of radioactive polonium-210 to kill Kremlin critic Alexander Litvinenko in London.
No targeted individuals are mentioned in references to the assassination weapon in the government documents declassified in response to a Freedom of Information Act request filed by the AP in 1995
ETC ...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071009/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/assassination_weapon_13
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12 YEARS just to get a little truth & accountabilty outta the bastards!
i betcha all kinds of blood-thirsty reptiles like JOO would love to see that FREEDOM OF INFORMATION legislation deep-sixed 
Nat'l Security, Al-Quaeda, Bin Laden, those crazy Sufis, Saddam Hussein! 
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 7:47 am Post subject: |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 7:50 am Post subject: |
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9-11 conspiracy sites are put together by people who know the info they are giving out is false.
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Possibly, but I don't see how you would begin proving in court that the webmasters know the information is false.
Joo, you follow these conspiracy guys fairly closely. How many times have you come accross one of them openly admitting that he knows he's promoting falsehood? |
It would be difficult to prove , but there are ways.
If people can show slander in other cases then it can be shown in the cases too. |
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