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Your mental biases you fight against

 
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mindmetoo



Joined: 02 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 4:46 am    Post subject: Your mental biases you fight against Reply with quote

Wiki has a nice list of biases:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cognitive_biases

It got me thinking what kind of biases are common among ESL/expat types.

1) Comparing the best of your country to the worst of Korea: I compare the worst of Korean business practices to the most honest corporations in North America. You compare the cleanest parts of your city to the dirtiest parts of Seoul. You compare the most polite people back home to the rudest people in Korea.

2) Attributing to malice what can be explained by incompetence or lack of planning: You're so coked up thinking your director is out to rip you off, you are ready to interpret any last minute-ism or poor planning to some orchestrated plan to rip you off.

3) Pricing bias: This one might be reserved to long timers. You forget inflation is also happening at home. So many things seemed expensive to me here in Korea. Milk, bread, baby powder. However last time I went back to Canada, I noticed prices had risen on those products as well and prices were close to Korean prices.

4) Your kids have adult motives: One thing we learned in child psychology. It's very easy to attribute adult motives to children, even babies. Your kids might not be really out to get you.

5) That Korean is about to do something weird to me: Just takes a couple real experiences and you begin to brace yourself. A Korean might be being helpful, like returning an umbrella you forgot. But you quickly assume he's rushing up to you to ask you for english lessons.

6) It can't be better here and Koreans are silly to think so: Koreans are biased to think they have something better. You're better informed holding your belief your national product is better. Korean talking about how superior Korean beef is. And you think "silly, Korean. Why doesn't he know Alberta beef is the best?" But how do you know Alberta beef is better. Ever note a Texan or someone from Montana vouching for the quality of Alberta beef? It's only "better" because all the other Canadians around you reinforce that bias.

Got any?
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RACETRAITOR



Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea

PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 5:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good post. I'll have to waste a couple of hours at work tomorrow skimming through that page to see if I can find a few examples.
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Julius



Joined: 27 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 5:07 am    Post subject: Re: Your mental biases you fight against Reply with quote

mindmetoo wrote:

5) That Korean is about to do something weird to me: Just takes a couple real experiences and you begin to brace yourself. A Korean might be being helpful, like returning an umbrella you forgot.


have to say I've developed quite a paranoia about being approached by korean dudes.
They really often do something wierd or unpredictable. stuff you just could never anticipate.

i was out with my camera once in the park taking pictures when a older ajosshi guy came over and greeted me and put his arm on my knee. he was really friendly and well meaning because he was out with his camera taking pictures to. However unfortunately most well-meaning gestures of koreans are the most wierd and offensive to westerners.
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faster



Joined: 03 Sep 2006

PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 6:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is a good thing to do every couple months. Nice post.
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Flash Ipanema



Joined: 29 Sep 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 6:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What about the weekly posts comparing the least attractive western females to the most beautiful Korean women.
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Atavistic



Joined: 22 May 2006
Location: How totally stupid that Korean doesn't show in this area.

PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 6:59 am    Post subject: Re: Your mental biases you fight against Reply with quote

mindmetoo wrote:

5) That Korean is about to do something weird to me: Just takes a couple real experiences and you begin to brace yourself. A Korean might be being helpful, like returning an umbrella you forgot. But you quickly assume he's rushing up to you to ask you for english lessons.


A woman I have never seen in my life before ate MY cookie off MY tray at the bakery tonight.

She defiled MY cookie.

They are out to get us.
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endofthewor1d



Joined: 01 Apr 2003
Location: the end of the wor1d.

PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 7:15 am    Post subject: Re: Your mental biases you fight against Reply with quote

mindmetoo wrote:

1) Comparing the best of your country to the worst of Korea: I compare the worst of Korean business practices to the most honest corporations in North America. You compare the cleanest parts of your city to the dirtiest parts of Seoul. You compare the most polite people back home to the rudest people in Korea.


guilty.

mindmetoo wrote:

2) Attributing to malice what can be explained by incompetence or lack of planning: You're so coked up thinking your director is out to rip you off, you are ready to interpret any last minute-ism or poor planning to some orchestrated plan to rip you off.


guilty.

mindmetoo wrote:


3) Pricing bias: This one might be reserved to long timers. You forget inflation is also happening at home. So many things seemed expensive to me here in Korea. Milk, bread, baby powder. However last time I went back to Canada, I noticed prices had risen on those products as well and prices were close to Korean prices.


guilty.

mindmetoo wrote:

4) Your kids have adult motives: One thing we learned in child psychology. It's very easy to attribute adult motives to children, even babies. Your kids might not be really out to get you.


justified. i'll cook dinner for you at my place, and i defy you to tell me that my seven-month-old daughter doesn't have a personal problem with anyone but her enjoying a peaceful meal in our house.

mindmetoo wrote:

5) That Korean is about to do something weird to me: Just takes a couple real experiences and you begin to brace yourself. A Korean might be being helpful, like returning an umbrella you forgot. But you quickly assume he's rushing up to you to ask you for english lessons.


guilty.

mindmetoo wrote:

6) It can't be better here and Koreans are silly to think so: Koreans are biased to think they have something better. You're better informed holding your belief your national product is better. Korean talking about how superior Korean beef is. And you think "silly, Korean. Why doesn't he know Alberta beef is the best?" But how do you know Alberta beef is better. Ever note a Texan or someone from Montana vouching for the quality of Alberta beef? It's only "better" because all the other Canadians around you reinforce that bias.


guilty.
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 12:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll add one:

7) It isn't always about me. I was reminded of this one on the bus the other day. A woman got on, walked down the aisle, looked at the empty seat next to me...and walked past. Ah, a racist, xenophobic insecure rat! But no, when I was getting off a couple of stops down the street, she was chatting away with another woman who was obviously an old friend. In short, other people have their own motives that don't necessarily relate in any way to me.
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Paji eh Wong



Joined: 03 Jun 2003

PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 5:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good list.
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VanIslander



Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!

PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 5:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gawd that's so different than my own mental biases

i share only #6
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Barking Mad Lord Snapcase



Joined: 04 Nov 2003

PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya-ta Boy wrote:
I'll add one:

7) It isn't always about me. I was reminded of this one on the bus the other day. A woman got on, walked down the aisle, looked at the empty seat next to me...and walked past. Ah, a racist, xenophobic insecure rat! But no, when I was getting off a couple of stops down the street, she was chatting away with another woman who was obviously an old friend. In short, other people have their own motives that don't necessarily relate in any way to me.


I might add that in Australia, people would do this anyway, regardless of your race - so long as there are wider empty spaces further down the bus or train. Us Aussies really are as far as one could get from Korean sardine tin culture.
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Dome Vans
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 7:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Only number 1 really and only very slightly.

I'm not really that fond of England and not too sure what redeeming features there are to it. But the one thing that really gets me, is the driving. There are very bad drivers in England as there is everywhere, but I just quietly fume, when I see cars, just pulling out in front of you and not looking, maybe they looked first and you see them looking but they still pull out slowly. Causing you to break suddenly. If this happened in England, you'd tailgate them for miles, till they or you run out of petrol, and then we get a bit of lovely road rage.

And the scooters in Seoul, when I visit. Straight thru the lights, not even looking. It just defies all belief.

I can't really comment on other Asian countries because I've not visited them but are they just as bad, or worse? I just can't can't get my head round the mentality. It's as if, if there's a crash, they'd say:

Quote:
Why didn't you watch where I was going?


But that's about it. As Indytruck's thread showed yesterday, the Koreans are super honest, if only England was like that. Sometimes I think why can't England take on this trait. Taking the best of Korea and applying to the mother land.
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