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some waygug-in
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 Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 3:08 pm Post subject: Carter says Cheney is a disaster. |
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http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSN1026419120071010?feedType=RSS&feedName=politicsNews&rpc=22&sp=true
Jimmy Carter calls Cheney a "disaster"
Former President Jimmy Carter on Wednesday denounced Vice President Dick Cheney as a "disaster" for the country and a "militant" who has had an excessive influence in setting foreign policy.
Cheney has been on the wrong side of the debate on many issues, including an internal White House discussion over Syria in which the vice president is thought to be pushing a tough approach, Carter said.
"He's a militant who avoided any service of his own in the military and he has been most forceful in the last 10 years or more in fulfilling some of his more ancient commitments that the United States has a right to inject its power through military means in other parts of the world," Carter told the BBC in an interview to air later on Wednesday.
"You know he's been a disaster for our country," Carter said. "I think he's been overly persuasive on President George Bush and quite often he's prevailed."
Asked to comment on Carter's remarks, Megan Mitchell, a spokeswoman for the Republican vice president, said, "We're not going to engage in this type of rhetoric."
Carter, a Democrat who was president from 1977 to 1981 and won the 2002 Nobel Peace prize for his charitable work, is a strong critic of the Iraq war and has often been outspoken in his criticism of President George W. Bush. |
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jinju
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| Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 3:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Wasnt Carter pretty much the worst president, or atleast the most incompetent one in the last 5 administrations? Let's not count Bush II. But the other guys all atleast can claim some success. Carter? What can one say about his presidency? |
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igotthisguitar
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| Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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SAYING IT LIKE IT IS  |
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Gopher
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(a) The American people deemed Carter unsatisfactory and denied him a second term. So, yes, then: not an outstanding president by any means. Especially considering that most presidents since 1945 have won two terms (if they wanted them; think of LBJ).
(b) Cheney is a walking disaster and the poster-child for special-interests embedded in the American govt's decision-making process.
(c) Carter is out-of-line again, openly engaging in partisan attacks. Not very senior-statesman-like of him.
All of these strike me as true. More to the point: none of them strike me as newsworthy. Another slow news day...? |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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c) Carter is out-of-line again, openly engaging in partisan attacks. Not very senior-statesman-like of him.
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Believe it or not, I remember the 1984 Republican convention. Gerald Ford got up and made a speech attacking not only Walter Mondale, but the Carter administration in which Mondale had served. I don't recall this attracting much comment at the time. Everyone just seemed to accept it as par for the political course. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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| But in this case neither Bush nor Cheney is running for office again. |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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But in this case neither Bush nor Cheney is running for office again.
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So, if Carter had been making these criticisms in 2003, would you have thought that was okay?
In any case, Gopher's criticism was that Carter was engaging in "partisan attacks". The attacks are partisan whether or not your targets are up for re-election. |
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Gopher
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| Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 5:18 pm Post subject: |
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I know nothing of it but can easily believe it.
Still inappropriate. Ford, too. Even if you are going off-point and referencing a convention, a special event. There should only be one president. I think that is the convention and that is the point.
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merkurix
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| Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 5:37 pm Post subject: |
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| jinju wrote: |
| Wasnt Carter pretty much the worst president, or atleast the most incompetent one in the last 5 administrations? Let's not count Bush II. But the other guys all atleast can claim some success. Carter? What can one say about his presidency? |
I will agree with most of this, however if any achievements during his presidency are to be recognized, he did help broker the Camp David Accords which led to a peace treaty with Israel and Egypt. And they have been such good friends since. |
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igotthisguitar
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| Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 6:37 pm Post subject: |
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| So, if Carter had been making these criticisms in 2003, would you have thought that was okay? |
Carter knows he can say whatever the hell he wants.
Believe it or not, so can YOU!
Jimmy simply tends to be a little more insightful, articulate, & polite 
A central issue here is that of COURAGE. Have you not noticed? It's part of what lends to credibility & RESPECT.
Why wasn't the ignoble Cheney walking in the streets of Darfur a couple weeks ago, trying to restore some stability to the region? Maybe after HE leaves office, he'll prove himself an equally great humanitarian 
Then there's his military service record (or need we remind readers ... HE NEVER SERVED):
CHICKEN-HAWK CHENEY.
Typical Dr. Evil = coward & a bully.
God bless Jimmy. |
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jinju
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| Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 7:10 pm Post subject: |
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| If Jimmy was so insightful he wouldnt have been a failure as a president. Bush bad? Carter was far worse. Now, he's just a bitter old windbag trying to be remembered for something other than a total failure in the White House. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 9:28 pm Post subject: |
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But in this case neither Bush nor Cheney is running for office again.
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So, if Carter had been making these criticisms in 2003, would you have thought that was okay?
In any case, Gopher's criticism was that Carter was engaging in "partisan attacks". The attacks are partisan whether or not your targets are up for re-election. |
Would depend on the venue. If he did it at the Democratic convention probably ok. It is ok when it is clearly a poltical act and not a policy at.
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Dome Vans
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| If Jimmy was so insightful he wouldnt have been a failure as a president. Bush bad? Carter was far worse. Now, he's just a bitter old windbag trying to be remembered for something other than a total failure in the White House. |
So are you saying Carter is wrong? Or just that if somebody slightly more credible had said it then you may taken more notice?
It doesn't necessarily follow that just because he was a bad president means he's not right on issues like this.
The journalist got the interview and asked the questions that meant he could fill his article with this info, as prev. mentioned, slow news day.
Still doesn't hide the fact that he's probably the worst culprit in this disaster of a government. There'll be a lot head nodding I think when people read it. |
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cbclark4
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| Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 9:34 pm Post subject: |
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| I think Jimmy Carter has enough experience with disaster to recognize it. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 9:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Dome Vans wrote: |
| jinju wrote: |
| If Jimmy was so insightful he wouldnt have been a failure as a president. Bush bad? Carter was far worse. Now, he's just a bitter old windbag trying to be remembered for something other than a total failure in the White House. |
So are you saying Carter is wrong? Or just that if somebody slightly more credible had said it then you may taken more notice?
It doesn't necessarily follow that just because he was a bad president means he's not right on issues like this.
The journalist got the interview and asked the questions that meant he could fill his article with this info, as prev. mentioned, slow news day.
Still doesn't hide the fact that he's probably the worst culprit in this disaster of a government. There'll be a lot head nodding I think when people read it. |
Carter isn't correct or at least he isn't until he acknowleges the problem. |
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