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Korea Is A Setup: Or, Why You Shouldn't Have Come
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Cheonmunka



Joined: 04 Jun 2004

PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Korean culture is thousands of years old. It was mostly staid and unchanged and quiet. I think the real culture lies in its people, part of the jong and and han and part of the psyche. The family is so important that that takes a big precedence in anything cultural - we can see family documents that spread back more than one thousand years. I can find out my wife's great, great (to the power of 10's?) grandfather's personal details yet he passed away in 1049. Isn't that extraordinary? Not in Korea. Every family male head is responsible for those books.
It's unlike US where it's overt culture like Mickey Mouse, freebasing, Harleys, Feds and Rebs. That's a medley, a melting pot. Hard to distinguish the culture even within all the trademarks of culture.
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indytrucks



Joined: 09 Apr 2003
Location: The Shelf

PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 4:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cognorati wrote:
Dropping out of the Western job market, and re-entering the job market in an entry-level position.


That's working under the assumption that some even have the desire to return to the Western job market.

Why is it so hard to comprehend that for some, this is a non-issue?
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Ilsanman



Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Bucheon, Korea

PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 5:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe we're a melting pot because we allow immigrants into our country. Our cultures get mixed, but the main white culture still remains most dominant.

The family thing is a comment I object to quite fiercly. THough they have this emphasis on family here, the main source of stress for Koreans is their family. Whether it be parents trying to live vicariously through their kids, controlling them, mooching off of them, sticking their nose in other peoples business, etc etc, families here really screw each other over.

If you happen to be part of a Korean family that doesn't do that, good for you. Consider yourself lucky.

This certainly happens in the west too, but families are more apt to cut off that family member.


Cheonmunka wrote:
Korean culture is thousands of years old. It was mostly staid and unchanged and quiet. I think the real culture lies in its people, part of the jong and and han and part of the psyche. The family is so important that that takes a big precedence in anything cultural - we can see family documents that spread back more than one thousand years. I can find out my wife's great, great (to the power of 10's?) grandfather's personal details yet he passed away in 1049. Isn't that extraordinary? Not in Korea. Every family male head is responsible for those books.
It's unlike US where it's overt culture like Mickey Mouse, freebasing, Harleys, Feds and Rebs. That's a medley, a melting pot. Hard to distinguish the culture even within all the trademarks of culture.
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The Great Toad



Joined: 12 Jun 2004

PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 5:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Further, you have to have additional paperwork to request salary increases related to years of experience, if you've been working in a foreign country


You also need to document any gaps in employment.




showing a lack of further education or lack of advancement, having foreign addresses and references, etc).



Yesssss! That is why I got the principles to write me letters stating the time I was employed, my duties, and how stellar my teaching was.

Also, in Korea I had the public office of Education write likewise in their official letterhead. I even threw in a "would do well in any graduate school program" in case I want to do some of that smart guy hyer Edumacation stuff.

I think the OP came here looking to be respected and treated as a real teacher whose job in America was also teaching- and what he found- like me was shock at how many were in it for the c00l trips, and just had no clue- or got sick of thier bank job types you find here... Koreans realize this and therefore have come to stereotype teachers as NOT real teachers- just guys here for the cash but who have no real training or even liking for teaching students.

Unlike me and the OP who choose teaching as a profession because other degrees were less desirable than one that enabled you to ne an Americano Teacher. Not to trash many of the caring non-teachers by degree types here- however it is true that I've run into too manyy Jokey Smurf Teachers who just want to find Smurfette in Smurfyland where they can Smurf all they want and hardly Smurf at all when Smurfing in Corea.
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mrgiles



Joined: 09 Jul 2007
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 6:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

o i don't know.

he who smurfs smurf often smurfs the smurfest. smurf?
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Yaya



Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Considering the generally low intelligence Texans tend to have (the state always ranks in the lowest three in high school graduation rates in the U.S.), I am not surprised by the OP at all.
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polonius



Joined: 05 Jun 2004

PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cognorati,

Isn't it great that not everyone gains happiness from the same things. I mean, what motivates you, and feeds your happiness may not please me or others. Many people here have enjoyed their time, as a result there are many people who have been here for 5+ years, myself included. I personally would never want to live in Texas, and that doesn't mean I hate the place, or think it is a culturless cesspool. (Ok maybe I think that of Mr. Bush's ranch) But really, to argue what makes you happy, and tell others that they are fools for CHOOSING the lifestyle they lead, is ignorant. I am not calling you ignorant, but you simply don't know the other people and what motivates them, so to pass judgment on them is.

Also, how easy it is to insult another culture. Every culture is open to criticism, but that doesn't mean one is better than the other. They are simply different. People could, and have spent hours degrating the American culture, and what is your opinion of them? You either don't care, I mean why should you care what someone who has no bearing on your life says, or it infuriates you. Bottom line is, you saying that Korea has no culture is also an ignorant statement. I mean, you have had what, 6 months to form this opinion? Furthermore, like my pappy used to say, "Opinions are like @$$holes, everyone's got one."

Good for you for finding out that this country doesn't make you happy. I say that with all sincerety. People should find what makes them happy. For me, and many others here, Korea has been great to us.
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jinju



Joined: 22 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does Texas have culture? if so, what is it? I cant think of anything. Everything in Texas is big...including the magnitude of ugliness of their cities. What a godawful cesspool.
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mrgiles



Joined: 09 Jul 2007
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

o polonius u seem to have got much wiser after all those murders in the fifth act.

or...were u always just pretending to be a fool???

great post!
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twg



Joined: 02 Nov 2006
Location: Getting some fresh air...

PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 6:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

indytrucks wrote:
Cognorati wrote:
Dropping out of the Western job market, and re-entering the job market in an entry-level position.


That's working under the assumption that some even have the desire to return to the Western job market.

Why is it so hard to comprehend that for some, this is a non-issue?

Because it makes the chest-beating done over it more difficult.
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nateium



Joined: 21 Aug 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 7:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jinju wrote:
nateium wrote:
jinju wrote:
Been here 5. Have 170,000 grand US in cash without any debt. Id say it has been a rather good move for me.


In cash??? Isn't there something better to do with an amount like that?


Im married. Got a kid. What would you suggest? We need a place to live and Im not talking a 13 pyeong officetel provided by my employer. Plus, the money is only tied up in the apartment for 2 years so after the contract ends I get it all back. i could do "something better" with it, though really, what would you suggest? Buy a Bentley?


If it's "tied up" it's not exactly "cash" now is it. Were you trying to make it sound like it was in a regular checking account or even under your mattress?
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Snowmeow



Joined: 03 Oct 2005
Location: pc room

PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 7:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sorry, double post. See below

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lucas_p



Joined: 17 Sep 2007

PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 7:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm, I can go to my local community college for two years and become a teacher certified to teach in the US. How do I know? Because I checked into it, so if I really wanted to come back to be a teacher, like YOU OP, I could do it quite easily. Loser indeed.

Um....argument over?
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Snowmeow



Joined: 03 Oct 2005
Location: pc room

PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 7:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cognorati wrote:

States will employ unqualified, uncertified teachers, usually in "critical need" areas, or in states/schools where there is a veritable crisis in finding teachers: but uncertified teachers are definetly not any state's first choice, and are almost NEVER given permanent contracts (many states would rather recruit certified teacher from other states and Canada, before they'll hire someone uncertified). If they are hired, they are hired in the worst schools, and in the most undesirable subject areas. In Western Europe and Canada you CANNOT be hired if you are not qualified.


I think you are wrong to assume that people who are teaching here will then want to teach in the public school system when they get home. There are other options. Skilled trades, for instance.

Besides, as Lucas above has stated, its not that difficult to get the degree in Education and become licenced. It's nothing to lord over others.

Cognorati wrote:

North American schools need you to document your experience, not only with a letter of reference, but with your STANDARD evaluations in the schools you've worked at, previously. If you don't have them (ie., you've been working in Korea), they don't exist.

...

Further, you have to have additional paperwork to request salary increases related to years of experience


Very true. I came to Korea for two years after my B.Ed. This summer when looking for teaching work I found that my teaching experience in Korea was not very highly regarded, mostly due to having so much fewer responsibilities than a classroom teacher back home. And they showed no interest in contacting my references in Korea. The fact that they would have to call outside their own office hours due to the time zone difference was trouble enough, nevermind the minor expense or concerns over communication difficulties.

Cognorati wrote:

We don't even need to discuss the private sector, and what dropping out of the Western job market will do to you (ie: unrelated experiences, showing a lack of further education or lack of advancement, having foreign addresses and references, etc).


More good points, but don't assume that just because a person is in Korea that she/he isn't working on improving their knowledge, skills or even credentials. I don't believe the majority of people are that conscientious though.

My only question is, why would you leave a good situation in Texas and take a chance with the unknown and uncertain in Korea?


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nateium



Joined: 21 Aug 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lucas_p wrote:
Hmm, I can go to my local community college for two years and become a teacher certified to teach in the US. How do I know? Because I checked into it


depends on the state
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