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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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Tiger Beer
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| ontheway wrote: |
| No other Republican candidate has this kind of support |
I've never understood Republicans before Ron Paul.
Honestly, Ron Paul converts people to Republican ideas. I've heard of fiscal conservatism and no more foreign interventionism, but never seen it by a Republican before. Ron Paul actually shows people what the Republican Party is REALLY suppose to be about. They run on it every election, particularly the fiscal conservatism, but it hasn't happened anytime in my lifetime anyways (always Democrats are more fiscally conservative.
Through Ron Paul, I can understand the Republican Party, and it IS appealing through Ron Paul. I'm impressed!
Everyone else running for that party might as well be for the Neo-Con Party, it's all war-mongering and incredible financial endeavors and expenditures possibly even more than Bush - which we've probably never seen before in the history of the world. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 12:37 pm Post subject: |
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The Iowa Poll mentioned above is interesting. 71% of likely Republican caucus participants have already ruled out voting for Ron Paul--the largest negative of any candidate in the field. 18% said they would consider him if they knew more about him--but how many of them are just being polite? 1%, a whopping 1%, said they'd consider him if their first and second choices don't pan out. 15% say they aren't sure.
Hmmm...I wonder why almost 3 of 4 politically active people from the segment of the population closest to him in philosophy rule out voting for him. |
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blaseblasphemener
Joined: 01 Jun 2006
Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be
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| Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 1:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Ron Paul's 1% sure has given him a heck of a lot of money. If Romney's 20% gave him the equivelent, he'd had $100 mil right now. I think poll numbers like that are a bit misleading, because Paul's jack will allow him to be taken a lot more seriously by voters. It's hard to underestimate the power of momentum. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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Ron Paul is a libertarian populist not a Republican.
There for he gets all the libertarian populist votes while the Republicans share Republican support. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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ARE THE REPUBLICANS CRAZY???
Of course, Rep. Paul said no such thing.
But Gov. Huckabee was not alone in putting words in Rep. Paul's mouth. In the previous debate, Sen. McCain again proved to be one of the war's chief cheerleaders, saying ``we must win."
In contrast, Rep. Paul bluntly stated: ``We shouldn't be there. We ought to just come home." Former Gov. Romney then offered the demagogic nonsequitur: ``Has he forgotten about 9/11?"
Before that came the interchange with former Mayor Rudy Giuliani. Rep. Paul asked: ``Have you ever read the reasons they attacked us? They attack us because we've been over there; we've been bombing Iraq for ten years. We've been in the Middle East."
Giuliani dishonestly charged that Rep. Paul had blamed America, causing that latter to reply: ``They don't come here to attack us because we're rich and we're free. They come and they attack us because we're over there."
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/opinon/opi_view.asp?newsIdx=11209&categoryCode=198 |
Giuliani was wrong when he repeated the silly claim that Al Qaeda hates us for our freedoms (well they do hate us for them but that is not the reason the US was attacked on 9-11) but Ron Paul was also wrong.
It wasn't cause the US and Iraq.
Let us not forget that in Iraq the US was protecting muslims both Shia and Kurds from Saddam . Let us not forget that the US got Saddam out of muslim Kuwait . No one forget either that Bin Laden himself made war on muslims in Afghanistan ( what reglion was the Northern alliance? )
Al Qaeda fights for the Caliphate by their own words. They want the Mideast so they can conquer it for themselves. But it will not stop there the Mideast is only the first step. They also demand North Africa and South East Asia.
Destroying Israel is only the first step for them it is necessary but not sufficient. What are you going to do when they demand that that the US stops supporting India?
Al Qaeda also demands Spain . What are you going to do when Al Qaeda demands the US not have relations with Spain?
One thing that is left out Bin Laden in complains the US supports China�s oppression of Muslims and Russia �s actions in Chenchnya . This is completely false. He blames the US for low oil prices. I would not be shock me if one day he claims that Alternative energy is a plot by the US against Muslims
The real truth is that Bin Laden blames the US for anything that he doesn�t like in the world which suits him cause the objectives of Al Qaeda are to gain the Caliphate. The mideast won�t be the end.
Sorry but the anti war movement seems not to know the difference between necessary and sufficient. |
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Harpeau
Joined: 01 Feb 2003
Location: Coquitlam, BC
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| Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Joo, you make some excellent arguements above and they are very much valid. I agree that the Middle East will not be the end. But I think Ron Paul's point is that he wants the USA to get out of world policing in general. He would rather that the USA take care of the USA's problems and be a shining example of what a free country should look like. He doesn't think it's the USA's place to be involved in other sovereign countries' business and I totally agree with him. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 6:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Harpeau wrote: |
He doesn't think it's the USA's place to be involved in other sovereign countries' business
and I totally agree with him. |
In principle, sacredness of sovereignty is a no-brainer.
Tell that to AmeriKa's out-of-control 'military-industrial' (4th REICH) & NEW WORLD ORDER EMPIRE  |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 7:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Harpeau wrote: |
| Joo, you make some excellent arguements above and they are very much valid. I agree that the Middle East will not be the end. But I think Ron Paul's point is that he wants the USA to get out of world policing in general. He would rather that the USA take care of the USA's problems and be a shining example of what a free country should look like. He doesn't think it's the USA's place to be involved in other sovereign countries' business and I totally agree with him. |
If Ron Paul would say the US ought to invest in alternative energy with a manhattan type effort he would have some credibility on this issue.
If someone really supports non intervention then lets make it so the US doesn't need mideast oil.
It is foolish to buy oil from the mideast and Venezula . The first step to real non intervention is alternative energy and reducing energy consumption.
IF the government doesn't support and sponser than programs for alternative energy and reduce consumption then it won't get done. |
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Harpeau
Joined: 01 Feb 2003
Location: Coquitlam, BC
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| Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 8:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
IF the government doesn't support and sponser than programs for alternative energy and reduce consumption then it won't get done. |
For the umpteenth time, Libertarians don't believe in the Federal Gov. being involved with other non-essential spending. Ron Paul wants to axe much of what the Federal Gov. is doing~ not add to it.
And I would challenge you, who says that it won't get done? With oil at such expensive prices, alternative energy has the best time to show itself off. Do it~ don't wait for the gov. to get off their butts. Just do it!  |
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Tiger Beer
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Harpeau wrote: |
| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
IF the government doesn't support and sponser than programs for alternative energy and reduce consumption then it won't get done. |
For the umpteenth time, Libertarians don't believe in the Federal Gov. being involved with other non-essential spending. Ron Paul wants to axe much of what the Federal Gov. is doing~ not add to it.
And I would challenge you, who says that it won't get done? With oil at such expensive prices, alternative energy has the best time to show itself off. Do it~ don't wait for the gov. to get off their butts. Just do it! |
Joo Rip is into massive government spending.
He use to be Democrat until he realized Republicans spend significantly more through war, so then he changed parties. |
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atomic42
Joined: 06 Jul 2007
Location: Gimhae
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| Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Tiger Beer wrote: |
| Joo Rip is into massive government spending. |
And here I was assuming he was just an idiot who rifled through Scotty McLellan's waste bin in search of tired talking points. 
Mods, ignore feature, please? |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Tiger Beer wrote: |
| Harpeau wrote: |
| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
IF the government doesn't support and sponser than programs for alternative energy and reduce consumption then it won't get done. |
For the umpteenth time, Libertarians don't believe in the Federal Gov. being involved with other non-essential spending. Ron Paul wants to axe much of what the Federal Gov. is doing~ not add to it.
And I would challenge you, who says that it won't get done? With oil at such expensive prices, alternative energy has the best time to show itself off. Do it~ don't wait for the gov. to get off their butts. Just do it! |
Joo Rip is into massive government spending.
He use to be Democrat until he realized Republicans spend significantly more through war, so then he changed parties. |
Better governmet spending is better than buying oil from the mideast. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 9:08 pm Post subject: |
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| atomic42 wrote: |
| Tiger Beer wrote: |
| Joo Rip is into massive government spending. |
And here I was assuming he was just an idiot who rifled through Scotty McLellan's waste bin in search of tired talking points.
Mods, ignore feature, please? |
I heard that you changed your mind. So, what did you do with the diaper?
Atomic 42 when you die, I'd like to go to your funeral but I'll probably have to go to work that day. I believe in business before pleasure
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 9:10 pm Post subject: |
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="Harpeau"][
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| For the umpteenth time, Libertarians don't believe in the Federal Gov. being involved with other non-essential spending. Ron Paul wants to axe much of what the Federal Gov. is doing~ not add to it. |
That is why libertarians are fools.
Why not axe medical reserach?
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| And I would challenge you, who says that it won't get done? With oil at such expensive prices, alternative energy has the best time to show itself off. Do it~ don't wait for the gov. to get off their butts. Just do it! |
Oil has to go much higher before alternative energy pays for itself. |
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