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khyber
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Compunction Junction
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Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 8:41 am Post subject: Questions about Ron Paul |
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Since he's so popular here I have a few questions that I'd like to ask...
1) He's all for "equality" and has no intention of giving anyone (race, creed or colour) special treatment. Fair enough:
Does he have any desire to help and/or rescue the poor, indigent or handicapped?
2) He wants to free the market by loosening restrictions:
Does this also mean that he will shut down the EPA? Would he take ANY efforts to protect national parks/forests or other protected lands?
How will HE protect America's environment (he "is" the president, after all)
Would he allow public apathy to dictate "what is best" for America and it's lands?
3) He is the most unique candidate (ideologically speaking) in years:
Is that enough to help him win?
If yes, how would it help him win?
It seems to me that there is a tremendous political apathy in the US these days: Will that help him
4) I'm a big fan of the personal liberty and the ameri-centric vision he has. It's fine with me if the US starts concentrating on its own growth instead of the world police brigade it has become:
Is it REALLY possible in today's day and age to do that?
If a country (let's say china) started to threaten war with, say Mexico (an important trade partner and neighbour of/with the US, would the he advocate protecting them?
5) He seems to be against the idea of the government "taking care of its citizens":
My question: What IS the role of government if it isn't to take care/ protect and provide services/goods to its citizens?
He focuses so heavily on lessening taxes, and decentralizing government, how does he plan on keeping the REAL power of the US within the White House? |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 4:21 pm Post subject: |
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Good post.
It will be interesting to see what the Ronettes have to say in response. |
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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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i agree.
EXCELLENT questions & ones which would be interesting to hear him respond to. |
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ernie
Joined: 05 Aug 2006 Location: asdfghjk
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Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 7:16 am Post subject: Re: Questions about Ron Paul |
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ok, i'll take the bait... don't judge ron paul by what i say, i'm interpreting what i think his position is, please clarify if you can... these are important questions, and i want you to understand his reasoning, because the mainstream media (who obviously doesn't want him in power) tends to simplify his views to make him look stupid and evil... here's my take:
1) he's for equality and i think you're right: he want to reduce special treatment... the reason is that if people think that the government is supposed to protect vulnerable people, then we won't go out of our way to help them, e.g. volunteering, charities, community groups, because then we'd be 'paying twice' for it...
2) he wants the federal government to be out of the environmental protection business because the legal system should take care of this... if someone pollutes your river, you can sue them for damages...
3) the only way in which he is unique is that stands FOR things instead of just ON things...
4) the USA can and should stop policing the world because everyone (except for the american public) knows that it's a sham and that the US (and EVERY government in history) only does things for the sake of itself and no one else... the sooner the charade ends, the safer the citizens of the USA will be...
5) the role of government is to enforce the constitution, enforce legal contracts between its citizens, and to provide a stable money supply... the whole idea of the united states is in the name itself! the union was formed with the explicit idea that states would have much of the power, rather than the federal government... he DOESN'T plan on keeping power in the white house... |
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khyber
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Compunction Junction
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Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 9:04 am Post subject: |
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I want to be clear, there is no "bait" to be had.
I'm a curious fella and, while there are a LOT of things about this dude that I admire, there seems to be a flip side to his message that either confuses or disagrees with me.
Thanks for the answers...anyone else?
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2) he wants the federal government to be out of the environmental protection business because the legal system should take care of this... if someone pollutes your river, you can sue them for damages... |
hmm... I think that's a good idea in theory but don't you think the legal process would have to be sped up, 100 fold to make this a practical reality?
I'm fairly sure that there are environmental issues that have been in the courts for years.
Not only that but if the pollution in the river doesn't DIRECTLY affect someone, how could it be proven in the court of law?
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4) the USA can and should stop policing the world because everyone (except for the american public) knows that it's a sham and that the US (and EVERY government in history) only does things for the sake of itself and no one else... the sooner the charade ends, the safer the citizens of the USA will be... |
Fair enough but certainly there is a point where the economic interests of future trading partner with "Ron Paul America" are threatenned: Would he advocate just cutting all ties them or trying to protect their partner (and therefore, there interests?)
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5) the role of government is to enforce the constitution, enforce legal contracts between its citizens, and to provide a stable money supply... the whole idea of the united states is in the name itself! the union was formed with the explicit idea that states would have much of the power, rather than the federal government... he DOESN'T plan on keeping power in the white house... |
Fair enough. Good answer. Don't know I'd agree with that for any state, but for the US, fair enough. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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2) he wants the federal government to be out of the environmental protection business because the legal system should take care of this... if someone pollutes your river, you can sue them for damages...
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But where do the laws and law courts come from if not the government?
Consider what things were like before the government got involved in environmental protection: Lake Erie caught on fire. That should tell you the regard unregulated industry can have for everyone else. |
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idonojacs
Joined: 07 Jun 2007
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Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 4:36 pm Post subject: |
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Who's Ron Paul?
And why does he have two first names? |
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ernie
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Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 6:37 pm Post subject: |
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sorry for the sarcasm, but you'll notice the plethora of ron paul threads that are dominated by the same guy who spouts a quasi-religious anti-ron paul rhetoric... i actually do want to share my views on this remarkable candidate!
i agree that the legal process needs to be sped up, but i don't think that the federal government is much faster! what i like about the legal course of action is that it doesn't require a gigantic bureaucracy to say 'such and such is no good' before anything gets done... instead, polluters will always have to be on their toes because a lawsuit could arise at any time... in the tort system, many laws come from precedent, i.e. past legal decisions... the judges interpret the constitution, but the idea is that the government is NOT involved in this...
he's not against ALL military action, just those that aren't approved for by congress... if the interests of the american public are indeed at stake, then due process would be followed and the military would intervene... |
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Ya-ta Boy
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Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 6:51 pm Post subject: |
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And why does he have two first names? |
He's using two first names to distinguish himself from the last libertarian, Lyndon LaRouche (who said the Queen of England is the biggest drug dealer in history), but otherwise sounded just the same as this new edition. |
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saw6436
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Daejeon, ROK
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Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 7:18 pm Post subject: |
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What I like about Ron Paul is that he is willing to stick his neck out and talk about issues that other candidates duck. While Biden, Clinton, Rudy and all the rest spew out a sound-bite and work to look good, R.P. lays out the whole dirty mess and demands to talk about it.
I support R.P. and will probably vote for him. Do I think he will make and effective president? No. As president he will face too much opposition from the career "politicians" and interest groups that dominate Washington. BUT, he is introducing issues that need to be addressed. He is talking about substance and the nuts and bolts of government. While the other candidates are offering more bread and circuses Ron Paul is arguing that we need to step back and fix the system we have. And I agree with that.
As long as we keep electing the likes of Gulliani, Edwards, Clinton, Bush, etc we are going to keep getting the same old crap and keep digging a deeper and deeper hole for the US. At the end of the day there is not a dimes worth of difference between the Dems or Reps. The popularity contest we call elections is a farce. We all complain about the government yet we keep electing the same entrenched fools year after year.
R.P. is looking to fix what we have not offer more goodies to the masses. The USA currently has an account deficit of 60 trillion dollars. That needs to be taken care of before we start thinking about Health Care, Education Tax credits or the "War on Terror". What put the US in such a condition? How can we get out of it? Thats what Ron Paul is talking about. In 20 years time ALL government revenue will be going to service the INTEREST on the US's debt. So much for Universal Health Care.
R.P. is talking about issues that matter. They are not "sexy" but at the end of the day they are issues that will make or break the US. Thats why I am supporting him. I don't agree with everything he says or represents but I do believe that if we listen to him we can break up the status-quo that is slowly drowning the US. |
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arjuna

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arjuna

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Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 8:16 pm Post subject: |
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Ron Paul on racism:
Racism is simply an ugly form of collectivism, the mindset that views humans strictly as members of groups rather than individuals. By encouraging Americans to adopt a group mentality, the advocates of so-called "diversity" actually perpetuate racism. Their obsession with racial group identity is inherently racist. We should understand that racism will endure until we stop thinking in terms of groups and begin thinking in terms of individual liberty. |
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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Optimus Prime

Joined: 05 Jul 2007
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Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 4:28 am Post subject: |
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He has a homo lisp. |
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blaseblasphemener
Joined: 01 Jun 2006 Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be
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Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 4:45 am Post subject: |
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Optimus Prime wrote: |
He has a homo lisp. |
actually, he doesn't. it's a fine line, but he doesn't cross the threshold. |
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