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mountainous

Joined: 04 Sep 2007 Location: Los Angeles
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Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 7:42 pm Post subject: |
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Best and shortest advice i can give is TALK TO A TEACHER CURRENTLY WORKING AT THE SCHOOL....i have heard that advice given lots on the forum, good luck. |
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cruisemonkey

Joined: 04 Jul 2005 Location: Hopefully, the same place as my luggage.
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Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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mountainous wrote: |
Best and shortest advice i can give is TALK TO A TEACHER CURRENTLY WORKING AT THE SCHOOL....i have heard that advice given lots on the forum, good luck. |
I would ammend this advice to read "... a teacher who has recently worked at the school...." Someone currently working there may well be under coersion. |
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mmace1
Joined: 08 Jul 2007
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Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 9:34 pm Post subject: |
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cruisemonkey wrote: |
To the OP - from your post, it is evident you have not done much (if any) research. |
I'm sorry if I gave that impression, though if you could give specific information as to my faulty/lack of reasoning it would be great. Maybe I have not learned as much as I thought. Let me try to better explain my thinking.
The public vs. private school part I believe is correct. Though if you have
something to add, that would be great.
Those top three recruiters seem to be by far the most recommended, again from previous postings I found using the search function. Though again, please correct me if I'm mistaken.
The bit about "suburbs" is semantics, I call all cities/areas within approx. 60-90 minutes of Seoul via public transit (express busses seem to be the fastest usually) a "suburb", my mistake for being unclear. The exception being Suwon City which may be further, but I think that' s OK as I read it has many amenities/things to do itself. The ones I listed above are the most often recommended cities/areas near Seoul. I gathered this from searching for previous posts on the best places to live near Seoul.
As to Incheon Airport proximity: my meaning is: I want a large city so that there is more to do. Seoul-area seems to have most - and, is relatively near Incheon, which would be great since I have at least 5 people lined up to visit, and I'd like to meet them at the airport since many of of them haven't traveled internationally much, if at all.
I'm aware of the need to review contracts, as well as talk to several current teachers, preferably when they are at home so I can be sure they aren't being listened in on.
I have bookmarked links to the Seoul subway network, as well as a basic map of the Seoul area. I don't necessarily trust counting the # of subway stops for distance though, as the subway map is not to scale, and I read that express buses tend to be fastest any way.
I have also reviewed most of the FAQs.
I also have a list of about 20 other areas near Seoul, with each estimate I've seen listed as to mass-transit time form it to Seoul (via the search function/my own posts), and condensed comments on the area's livability.
I also did searches for "best recruiters" "favorite recruiter", "best areas Seoul", "best suburb Seould", etc. These are the cities/areas and recruiters that had significantly more favorable mentions/recommendations than the rest.
I hope that explains my "research" better. Though if you still think I am making any glaring errors please tell me, as I'm not sure what I should look into next at this point, outside of if any offer is a city/area not in my so far 18-city/area list, to do a Wikipedia search on it, as well as a post search on this site. |
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Atavistic
Joined: 22 May 2006 Location: How totally stupid that Korean doesn't show in this area.
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cruisemonkey

Joined: 04 Jul 2005 Location: Hopefully, the same place as my luggage.
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Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 11:55 pm Post subject: Re: Getting ready for Korea - Review my thinking, & a fe |
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Sorry if that sounded curt, but I got the impression you were ready to 'throw caution to the wind' and make a rash decision that will affect your life for a year.
mmace1 wrote: |
OK, I'm getting ready to apply for Korea jobs, and hope to leave fairly soon (however long it takes the VISA, it doesn't seem like it takes long to get job offers). |
From the time you decide on a job it takes approximately a month until you arrive.
mmace1 wrote: |
I've decided on the general Seoul area due to it's proximity to Incheon, and general "things to do" spirit. I've done some research on the various subdivisions. Location-wise, it seems like anything in Bundang, Ilsan, Sanbon, Suwon, or Hongdae would be ideal. |
I'll add to the previous posts that nothing in this country is more than four hours away. ICN is 50 min. from Seoul Stn. by express bus (if it's not a holiday).
mmace1 wrote: |
I've researched recruiters too, it seems like the ones I should contact are: ESL Planet, Duff Recruiting, and Korvia. |
Recruiters do not work for you. Some are better than others; but no matter what they say, they all do it for the money and don't give a damn about you.
mmace1 wrote: |
I'd prefer a public school job, but I haven't had much luck finding offers in the Seoul area, even after speaking with a few other recruiters. Probably because this isn't the time of year they are hiring? |
I don't see any 'reasoning' here. You're right about this not being 'peak' hiring season, but they can't fill all the public school jobs and they hire all year. The next big intake will be for March 1, but if you want a good school in a good area, now is the time to start looking.
mmace1 wrote: |
So if I go private, I'll just contact the above 3 recruiters and try to decide on the best bet. |
This is the part that scares me. You sound like you're willing to throw the dice and hope you don't 'crap out'. While there is neccessarily an element of gambling in taking a job in a country (and culture) you don't really know, you can increase your odds of success by not rushing into anything. Especially with the private sector here.
mmace1 wrote: |
This all sound reasonable? |
In short - No.
mmace1 wrote: |
One question too...do any of the other largest cities in Seoul tend to pay better? Just wondering, as there seems to be a pay premium for going rural. |
In the public sector (EPIC) there is a W100,000/month 'Provincial Allowance' i.e. not Seoul or Gyeonggi-do; and an extra W100,000 if you are in truly rural area. I wouldn't suggest the latter for a 'first timer'.
You're welcome. |
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chris_J2

Joined: 17 Apr 2006 Location: From Brisbane, Au.
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Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 12:10 am Post subject: Korea |
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A copy of your degree, as opposed to the original degree. |
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nomad-ish

Joined: 08 Oct 2007 Location: On the bottom of the food chain
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Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 3:28 am Post subject: |
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Just put your brain in neutral and let Korea drive it for a while. |
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articulate_ink

Joined: 23 Mar 2004 Location: Left Korea in 2008. Hong Kong now.
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Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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It's thoughtful of you to want to be near enough to the airport to meet your friends, but you need to be realistic about flight arrival times vis-a-vis your own work schedule. If you work for a hagwon you may end up working afternoons or evenings, and it's not likely you'll be able to take the time off. Even a university professor has to be very judicious about cancelling classes. Your first priority ought to be on your own day-to-day quality of life. Bucheon is pleasant, and it's halfway between Seoul and Incheon. Jamsil's not near the airport but it's near the City Air Terminal, which would make travel easy, and it's a decent area. Transportation links at the airport are well-signposted in English, and it ought to be easy for your friends to get to the airport train, the subway, and so on.
For what it's worth, I live 2 stations away from Suwon Station. The nearest airport shuttle bus stops at a hotel nowhere near the subway, and it's about a 12,000-won cab ride from my home. The bus trip itself is another 1 hour 15 minutes when there's no traffic. In traffic, it gets there when it gets there. If I take the subway and then the airport train, it's about a 2-hour trip. If you factor in the taxi ride and the waiting time at the hotel before the bus leaves, the subway/train option is better: it takes forever but I know when I'll arrive.
Here's a link to the airport's transportation page. It has information about the shuttle buses, where they stop, and so on:
http://www.airport.or.kr/iiacms/pageWork.iia?_scode=C1204010000&fake=1192333389592 |
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chris_J2

Joined: 17 Apr 2006 Location: From Brisbane, Au.
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Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 9:27 pm Post subject: Jobs |
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For ESL jobs in public schools, try contacting:
GEPIK (Gyenggido English Program in Korea)
http://gepik.ken.go.kr/foreign/application.php
EPIK (English Program in Korea) (NIIED)
http://epik.knue.ac.kr/sub3/sub3_4.asp
http://epik.knue.ac.kr/sub3/sub3_3.asp
SMOE (Seoul Metropolitan Office Education)
http://www.sen.go.kr/HTML/eng/2_5.html
http://www.sen.go.kr/en_index.html
All 3 usually have vacancies throughout the year, despite the websites stating that all vacancies for March 2008 have already been filled. Some of the 3 also have a list of recommended recruiters, with contact details. (see below)
eg, the interactive EPIK map shows plenty of current vacancies outside Seoul & Gyeonggido (but vacancies within these 2 districts are not administered by EPIK, so check directly with GEPIK or SMOE):
http://epik.knue.ac.kr/sub3/sub3_2.asp
District & number of vacancies, October 14 2007:
Incheon 20
Gangwon 20
Gyeongbuk 45
Chungbuk 27
Daejon 5
Chungnam 20
Daegu 20
Jeonbuk 4
Gwangju 8
Jeonnam 5
Gyeongnam 20
Busan 12
Ulsan 15
Jeju 30
I arrived in Korea on Friday 14 September, with no job (long story, don't ask!), & had a job on Monday, 17 September. I'd agree with other posts that it's not necessary to live & work in Incheon to be near the airport. If you do want to stay close to the airport to meet friends, "GuestHouse Korea" at Airport City Plaza are only 2 minutes away by free shuttle bus (if you stay there for 38,000 won a night.) Seoul is only an hour away by public bus: exit 5, platform 5B, bus 601-2, which is 8,000 won o/w, & all other express busses to Seoul are 13,000 won.
http://www.guesthouseinkorea.com/InCheon/
A list of recruiters I found on SMOE:
"NOTICE of Employment starting teaching from September 2007
Seoul Metropolitan Office of Education is to hire dozens of Foreign English Teachers starting teaching from late August.
Eligibility, benefits, duties and the other working condition of this position is the same as what�s put on this website.
Initial applications should be e-mailed to one of the following;
Footprints Recruiting Incorporated
�Contact Person: Ben Glickman, Director of Employer Relations
�Suite 408, 55 Water Street, Vancouver, BC V6B-1A1, Canada
�E-mail: [email protected]
�Phone: 604-677-6559
�Fax: 604-677-6557
�Website: http://www.footprintsrecruiting.com
Korea Connections
�Contact Person: Jay. M. Lee, Director of Employee Relations
�D-901 Tower Palace, Dogok-dong, Kangnam-gu, Seoul, Korea (135-534 )
�E-mail; [email protected]
�Phone; 82-11-716-0905, 82-2-2058-2888
�Fax: 82-2-2274-6911
�Website: http://www.koreaconnections.net
�North American Office: Cindy Bond, Director of Employee Relations
4928 43 Street, Innisfail, Alberta, Canada T4G 1M5
Phone: 1-403-227-4637
Cell ph:1-403-392-0944
E-mail: [email protected]
Herald Professional
�Contact Person: Eunice Kim, Assistant manager of Program management
�Address:281-1 Pungnap-dong, Songpa-gu, Seoul, Korea
�E-mail: [email protected], [email protected]
�Phone: 82-2-480-4864
�Fax: 82-2-480-4950
WorknPlay Incorporated
�Contact Person: Gloria Hwang, Recruiting Consultant
�Address:Namkyeong Sulleung Bldg Room 202, 704-50, Yeoksam-dong,
Kangnam-gu, Seoul, Korea
�E-mail: [email protected]
�Phone: 82-2-568-7536, 82-10-4560,8023
�Fax: 82-2-568-7236
�Website: http://www.worknplay.co.kr"
I've had very good assistance from 'ESL Planet'. |
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mmace1
Joined: 08 Jul 2007
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Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 2:31 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks, that info on public school jobs is very useful, I knew of Footprints & work n' play, but not the others.
And great, I had previously taken their hiring schedules at face value.
I notice to apply they want a physicians report, criminal background check, proof of former employment, essay, letters of reference, etc. That would mean it would take much longer to get all the paperwork to apply for these (and I assume longer to be approved).
I'd rather leave quite a bit sooner (kinda broke after college!) - Any idea how long the process would be with these public school recruiters? Before I'd applied with Korvia and they didn't want anything in advance, and I'd been offered some positions (but took 2 days to look up the towns and the positions were filled by then...except the position in the seemingly crappy town). |
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chris_J2

Joined: 17 Apr 2006 Location: From Brisbane, Au.
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Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 6:52 am Post subject: Jobs |
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Yes. Public schools do now require the following:
* physicians report, (Chest XRay for TB / Blood test for Aids & Hepatitis, & a normal pulse)
* criminal background check, (ANY police check)
* proof of former employment, (or "prior teaching experience" if it's your 2nd year in Korea)
* personal essay, (Just a covering letter from your resume. I copied the format from internet)
* letters of reference: ORIGINAL signatures by 2 referees (Not electronic sigs either) |
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