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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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dmbfan

Joined: 09 Mar 2006
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Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 1:28 am Post subject: |
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Ron Paul, eh?
Is he not one for America going back to a state of isolation?
Is he not the one that believes that if America cowers in the corner, that the bullies will leave us alone?
Yeah.........really credible.
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Sleepy in Seoul

Joined: 15 May 2004 Location: Going in ever decreasing circles until I eventually disappear up my own fundament - in NZ
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Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 2:09 am Post subject: |
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| Is he not the one that believes that if America cowers in the corner, that the bullies will leave us alone? |
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bully
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someone who hurts or frightens someone who is smaller or less powerful than them, often forcing them to do something they do not want to do: |
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=10197&dict=CALD
What bullies? One of the worst bullies in the world is the U.S. itself. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

Joined: 25 May 2003
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Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 2:27 am Post subject: |
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| Sleepy in Seoul wrote: |
| dmbfan wrote: |
| Is he not the one that believes that if America cowers in the corner, that the bullies will leave us alone? |
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bully
noun [C]
someone who hurts or frightens someone who is smaller or less powerful than them, often forcing them to do something they do not want to do: |
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=10197&dict=CALD
What bullies? One of the worst bullies in the world is the U.S. itself. |
Most of the enemies of the US are totalitarian thugs many of whom don't even let their own citizens leave.
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| Behind Algeria, on a score of 110.55, come North Korea, Burma, Indonesia, Libya, Colombia, Syria, Iraq, Yugoslavia and China. Saudi Arabia, Iran, Afghanistan and Nigeria follow closely. The United Kingdom comes 141st; a good score on a global basis but not so admirable when compared with other rich, industrialised countries - we are seventh out of 23. |
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| A country with a wretched record of human rights abuse could score a maximum total of 190. Saddam Hussein's Iraq proves the winner of the unmodified list - which measures human rights abuses outside of their economic context - with an unadjusted score of 155 |
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http://www.algeria-watch.org/mrv/mrvrap/observe4.htm |
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Sleepy in Seoul

Joined: 15 May 2004 Location: Going in ever decreasing circles until I eventually disappear up my own fundament - in NZ
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Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 2:53 am Post subject: |
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| So Joo, are you denying that the U.S. is a bully? |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

Joined: 25 May 2003
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Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 2:59 am Post subject: |
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| I do know most US actions have been justified or at least understandable. |
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Sleepy in Seoul

Joined: 15 May 2004 Location: Going in ever decreasing circles until I eventually disappear up my own fundament - in NZ
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Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 3:12 am Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| I do know most US actions have been justified or at least understandable. |
I didn't ask that. Please answer my question. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

Joined: 25 May 2003
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Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 3:20 am Post subject: |
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Yes and no.
Does the US use its leverage to protects it interests as most countries do yes.
Does it threaten to bomb everyone who is weaker who disagrees no
The more important facts are that most if not all of the ememies of the US are totalitarian thugs many of whom didn't let their own citizens leave and that most US actions have been justified or a least understandable.
Under the defention you would like to push the US is a bully when it puts up sanctions on Zimbabwe or Sudan for their human rights record. The US is bigger than them and the US tries to force them to do things ( like not persecuted people) . Is the US wrong? You answer that one. |
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keane
Joined: 09 Jul 2007
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Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 3:29 am Post subject: |
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| Even the White House isn't trumpeting this "Fact". Most likely due to a lack of evidence. |
Exactly. Where is the evidence? Any at all besides some neo-con hack and/or his wannabe ruler of Iraq?
Didn't think so. |
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keane
Joined: 09 Jul 2007
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Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 3:30 am Post subject: |
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| dmbfan wrote: |
Ron Paul, eh?
Is he not one for America going back to a state of isolation? |
Completely incorrect. Why am I not surprised? |
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dmbfan

Joined: 09 Mar 2006
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Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 5:10 pm Post subject: |
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Ya know, I'm just going to let it all hang.
Quite a few of you have your heads way up your arsses. OR........quite a few of you are just on the liberal, anti Bush/America bandwagon (thats what far lefties do...they are so consumed with hate, that ultimately they end up hating their own country). OR....and I hope this is not the case, but a quite a few of you may just be blind and dumb.
First, WMD's............why is it so hard to beleive that, given Saddams reputation in the Middle East, that he did send those weapons off to Syria before coalition forces arrive? Why is that so hard to even consider? Why? No, don't come back with you repetitious point of "Uh....(grunt)...wheres da evidence?" Just anwer the question.
Whether you want to to beleive it or not, Saddam DID have WMD's and he DID send them off to Syria, under cover of releif aid of a natural disaster BEFORE the coalition forces arrived. The far left media, supporters, lobbiests and politicians KNOW this....but, they will not acknowlege it because it makes Bush look like the one who is in the right.
OK, why doesn't Bush counter these attacks? Good question dmbfan! WEll, Bush is not in a popularity contest. He realizes what needs to be done, and he does not follow the different emotions, swells or thought, or even compulsiveness of the people. He does what he things is best for the United States...............he is not Kerry, Hillary or some other wanna be leader, who has no principles of his/her own.
Oreilly has even mentioned this. He has talked about how the Bush administration is NOT doing a good job with communicating these things to the people, and letting the media, the far left and the ignorant fish tacos keep on going with the B.S. Yeah, I agree with this. However, he is doing what he feels is best for the country. He is standing by what he set out to do..................and I respect him for that.
Look at this way........you have all the far left and sheep followers wanting to pull out of Iraq. Well, what happend the last time the U.S. pullled out of Iraq?
1. Saddam stayed in power, because the U.S. wanted to give the people the chance to rise against Saddam themselves.......did it work? NO!
2. Tens of thousands were slaugtherd by Saddams henchmen. Anyone who was thought to whisper so much as bad word about Saddam, was killed.
3. Despite 12 years of "sanctions" on Iraq (which only hurt the people, not Saddams government) Saddam became richer, more power hungry and more dangerous. NOT just to the West, but to the region as well.
Those are some good reasons why the United States needs to fullfill the committment............and win the peace there. Granted, it may not happen. But, those democrats that keep saying "We will get our troops out of there" are full of it! They will do that, and are lying to the American pubic.
If you REALLY think that Saddam was not a threat to the region (Isreal, and other countries in the Middle East..........oh yeah, lets not forget that he was GOING to attack Isreal with Chemical Weapons in 1990/91.....lets not forget that he did send an attack on Tel Aviv in 1991), he was laughing his but off while the U.N. imposed "sanctions" on Iraq (playing the UN for th fool), and did not have WMD's but sent them off to Syria..........then, lets say your judgement skills are not up to par.
Look at it this way, if a Democrat were in office while this war was going on, you would not see the far left media protraying it as "a disaster" or a "lost cause". It would shown as a success, and we would not hear much about it. If a democrat gets elected this term, that is how it is going to be shown........to make them look like they are doing it right, and are a bunch of geniuses.
In regards to the U.S. being a bully...........eat it. The U.S. is no more a bully then some other countries in the world. Every time there is a natural disater, who is the the first to get there with aid? How many United States citizens have died so that others would have a chance? Is the United States not letting its own people travel? Is the United States threatening to bomb everyone that does not agree? NO!!!!! Get your heads out of your buts, people. I know it is hard, but you can do it.
And...............oh.....out of coffee......I'll be back.
But by all means, you far left guys go ahead and respond. ....it's OK.
dmbfan
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 5:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Sleepy in Seoul wrote: |
| dmbfan wrote: |
| Is he not the one that believes that if America cowers in the corner, that the bullies will leave us alone? |
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bully
noun [C]
someone who hurts or frightens someone who is smaller or less powerful than them, often forcing them to do something they do not want to do: |
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=10197&dict=CALD
What bullies? One of the worst bullies in the world is the U.S. itself. |
Did the US frighten you into saying that?
Please. The fact that there are so many up in arms is evidence that what you're saying isn't very true. |
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Sleepy in Seoul

Joined: 15 May 2004 Location: Going in ever decreasing circles until I eventually disappear up my own fundament - in NZ
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Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 9:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
| Sleepy in Seoul wrote: |
| dmbfan wrote: |
| Is he not the one that believes that if America cowers in the corner, that the bullies will leave us alone? |
bully
noun [C]
someone who hurts or frightens someone who is smaller or less powerful than them, often forcing them to do something they do not want to do:
What bullies? One of the worst bullies in the world is the U.S. itself. |
Did the US frighten you into saying that?
Please. The fact that there are so many up in arms is evidence that what you're saying isn't very true. |
What bullies are there trying to force the U.S. to do unspeakable things? How many countries are there that are bigger and more powerful than the U.S.? How many times has the U.S. government forced, or tried to force, other countries to do things that they didn't want to do through threats of one kind or another? |
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dmbfan

Joined: 09 Mar 2006
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Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 10:04 pm Post subject: |
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| What bullies are there trying to force the U.S. to do unspeakable things? How many countries are there that are bigger and more powerful than the U.S.? How many times has the U.S. government forced, or tried to force, other countries to do things that they didn't want to do through threats of one kind or another? |
You tell us. You seem to be on the bandwagon, so you must have all the logical answers to this.
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Dome Vans Guest
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Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 10:18 pm Post subject: |
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| What bullies are there trying to force the U.S. to do unspeakable things? How many countries are there that are bigger and more powerful than the U.S.? How many times has the U.S. government forced, or tried to force, other countries to do things that they didn't want to do through threats of one kind or another? |
You tell us. You seem to be on the bandwagon, so you must have all the logical answers to this.
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I wouldn't bother with this one sleepy in seoul. Dmbfan has decided to group everybody on the bandwagon and has difficulty in looking on the flipside of things. He's had the full works from Dubya.
America's hegemonic status means they don't take any poop off anyone, so in this position can go round and bully other nations for whatever reason, oil, religion etc anything to keep their status, but the hegemonic status is slipping and now countries are fighting back. What Cheney et al are doing is using the terrorists as a smoke screen to push their extreme right wing policies but fighting a losing battle, they just don't realise it though. But it comes and goes, we'll be seeing a lot worse coming from them as they start to be overtaken by China and Russia, then hello mediocrity.
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| The decline of hegemony is perceived simultaneously as very slow and quite rapid. On the other hand, suddenly, everyone seems to notice that the authority of the hegemonic power is under serious challenge, and that the achievement of its political will is no longer automatic. The hegemonic power seems to be in some economic trouble, after a long period of unquestioned prosperity. And of course the very perception of these weaknesses increases them, since others are then ready to act in the inter state arena in ways that are markedly different from the ways in which they acted during the heyday of the hegemonic power. On the other hand, decline seems slow. The hegemonic power, even when it begins to decline, is clearly still the strongest power (militarily, politically, economically, even culturally). If it does not automatically get its way, it remains hard for anyone to do things against its will. If its economic lead is cut, it still seems (and is) wealthy. |
International Relations: critical concepts in political science
By Andrew Linklater
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