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another way foreigners are pillaging Korea
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mack4289



Joined: 06 Dec 2006

PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 6:39 pm    Post subject: another way foreigners are pillaging Korea Reply with quote

I thought the members of the GNP had a decent understanding of economics. Maybe not.

http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2881562

"In a voice still echoed by many South Korean nationalists, a lawmaker yesterday called the billions of dollars made by foreigners from local stock markets over the past three years a loss of national wealth.

Kim Yang-soo of the Grand National Party issued a press release based on data he received from the Financial Supervisory Service, which said the amount of stock dividends foreign investors earned on Korean stock markets from 2004 to 2006 stood at 12 trillion won ($13.1 billion).

�Foreigners are getting out with sizable profits from selling shares they purchased or in stock dividends. This exodus of the nation�s wealth has grown to a serious level under the current government,� Kim said in the press release. �The government should come up with a policy to foster local capital so that more local funds are invested in the local stock markets.�
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Pluto



Joined: 19 Dec 2006

PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 7:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So? How many foreign shares are on the KRX?
Moreover, Korea is a service based economy with more than its fair share of capital entering the country. Everything is fair game in a globalized economy and I reckon that Korea is coming out ahead with everything on balance.
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It would seem that not ALL the idiots are in the New United Democratic Party (or whatever Uri's new name is).
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Juregen



Joined: 30 May 2006

PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 8:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What they don't realize its that they put the money in in the first place.

If you then create policies to curb the influx of Money, then you have a potential disaster on your hands.

As far as i am aware the Korean stock market is still relatively under valued, due to the perceived risks of governmental idiots.
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Julius



Joined: 27 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 12:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If they stop foreigners doing business here then they can be the.........

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ASIA


Laughing
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mindmetoo



Joined: 02 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 3:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

*head shake* Koreans want iron and oil and wood and bauxite and so on. They buy that from other nations. Koreans then turn those things into MP3 players and LCD screens and cars. The people who sell them oil do so because they think then they can use that Korean won they offered to buy things of value in Korea. Now, not everyone wants to exchange their won for cars and TVs. A building in Korea or shares in a company would be nice too.

But wait. People might not be able to take the won they were given for the oil and invest it in Korea? You're saying we can only use it on cars and MP3 players? I don't need a million Hyundai Ponys. I would like 10 million shares of Hyundai inc. So if I can't spend the Won on something I really want, I'm not going to want to sell my oil to Korea. I'll sell it to China or the USA. Thanks Korea, but your money is no good to me.

It's really scary a guy with a BA in psychology whose job is teaching 10 year olds not to pick their nose can figure out why maybe this attitude isn't a great thing and a highly paid Korean politicians can't.

Best of luck, Korea.
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Julius



Joined: 27 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 4:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mindmetoo wrote:

It's really scary a guy with a BA in psychology whose job is teaching 10 year olds not to pick their nose can figure out why maybe this attitude isn't a great thing and a highly paid Korean politicians can't.

Best of luck, Korea.


blinded by emotional nationalism- the story of Korea.
It just continues a theme whereby koreans view foreigners making money here as a crime. But simultaneously they want foreigners to do business here so they can reap the rewards.
This country has a m.a.s.s.i.v.e amount of growing up to do in the ways of the world and relating to others
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Pligganease



Joined: 14 Sep 2004
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 4:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Julius wrote:
If they stop foreigners doing business here then they can be the.........

HUB


OF


ASIA


Laughing


You forgot the standard "my ass."
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igotthisguitar



Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)

PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 4:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Foreign stock holders control most Korean companies etc.

So, yah ... one can safely assume many of the country's policies are $$$ ka-ching! $$$ influenced by outside interests Wink

Has clearly been that way for quite some time, hasn't it?
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mindmetoo



Joined: 02 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 5:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And the notion of money leaving Korea is also silly. If I take a trillion won out of Korea, I'm not going to spend it in Canada, am I? I'm going to exchange it with someone who wants the won so they can buy things in Korea or from Korea. Money only leaves Korea because people outside of Korea want the Korean money to spend in Korea.
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Julius



Joined: 27 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 6:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mindmetoo wrote:
And the notion of money leaving Korea is also silly. If I take a trillion won out of Korea, I'm not going to spend it in Canada, am I? I'm going to exchange it with someone who wants the won so they can buy things in Korea or from Korea. Money only leaves Korea because people outside of Korea want the Korean money to spend in Korea.


Unfortunately the most emotive, politicised (yet nonsensical) arguments are always the most appealing.

Without any intervening, alternative voice of reason allowed, Koreans are suckers for such illogical BS.
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Ilsanman



Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Bucheon, Korea

PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 6:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So they want and even encourage us to invest in their useless, inefficient companies, but whine when we sell out?

Scrub of Asia 1, Gullible foreigners 0

Or is it vice versa?
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Hollywoodaction



Joined: 02 Jul 2004

PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 12:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

He'd change his tune pretty damned fast if foreign investors pulled out of the Korean stock market in droves in order to invest elsewhere.
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mindmetoo



Joined: 02 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 1:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hollywoodaction wrote:
He'd change his tune pretty damned fast if foreign investors pulled out of the Korean stock market in droves in order to invest elsewhere.


The Korean selling his shares of Samsung to a foreigner for a tidy profit isn't complaining. I don't know why this jerk water should be.
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excitinghead



Joined: 18 Jul 2005

PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 2:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pluto wrote:
So? How many foreign shares are on the KRX?
Moreover, Korea is a service based economy with more than its fair share of capital entering the country. Everything is fair game in a globalized economy and I reckon that Korea is coming out ahead with everything on balance.


While I agree with the sentiment, Korea definitely isn�t a service-based economy. While most countries at the same level of development certainly are, Korea is quite unique in that it�s manufacturing sector is still the biggest sector of its economy, and what�s more it is HUGE. On top of that it�s currently facing a crisis, as Korea can�t compete with China on labor costs, and it still lags Japan in technological innovation. Korean business and the government are aware of the seriousness of the issue, but the latter in particular has yet to make the politically painful reforms that are required. The education sector needs to instill more creativity for one, and we all know how well that�s doing with all the high-school kids sleepily rote-learning multi-choice questions for the big University Entrance test in 27 days.

Knowing all this makes certain tensions in Korean society, and hence domestic politics, much easier to understand. I find it all fascinating myself, and partially because of the urgency of things: the consequences of doing nothing are pretty dire, and could see Korea slipping down the league table of economies from 11th to 20th or so in 10-15 years time unless some pretty radical changes are made pretty soon. Women's low position here making the birth rate one of the lowest in the world isn't helping things either!

If anyone�s interested, I go into all that in much greater detail on my blog here:

http://thegrandnarrative.wordpress.com/2007/09/05/manufacturing-childcare-and-salarymen-why-korea-is-a-such-fascinating-place-to-study/
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