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Dealing with death of family while in Korea
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uberscheisse



Joined: 02 Dec 2003
Location: japan is better than korea.

PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

damn. sorry for the loss. at least you had a fairly long time to let it sink in. stay well.
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SeoulShakin



Joined: 05 Jan 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

crusher_of_heads wrote:
SeoulShakin wrote:
As much as a puppy hug would help, I don't think buying one hastily because I'm sad is a good decision. I'd probably adopt firstly, but since I'm unsure about future plans, it just wouldn't be the right thing to do.
Thanks though.


Strawberry Kiss Smoothie at Smoothie King, then!


That actually sounds pretty tasty. Wish there was one of those in Itaewon, since that's the closest place to me. The closest I can think of is in Myeongdong. That might be my weekend treat.
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SeoulShakin



Joined: 05 Jan 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 8:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

uberscheisse wrote:
damn. sorry for the loss. at least you had a fairly long time to let it sink in. stay well.


I think having the time actually helped me. I didn't cry nearly as much when mom called last night, and today has been mostly dry-eyed. I was a wreck last Friday. Today I feel kind of relieved (for my family mostly).
It still sucks though.
I told my Mom that my school offered me time off to go home, and she told me to forget it. She said my Gramma was a teacher for a few years, and loved that I was over here teaching. She knew I was here, and wouldn't want me to feel like I had to drop it to go home. It makes sense, but still sucks. My dad's suggestion was the flowers, which I am still looking at online. Once I get a date for the visitation, I can place an order to have them delivered on time.
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chris_J2



Joined: 17 Apr 2006
Location: From Brisbane, Au.

PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 11:55 pm    Post subject: Death in Family Reply with quote

First off, my commiserations. I wouldn't bother going back, due to the debt problem, but I would send a long, comforting email to your grandad, & father. They may need some support after the funeral too, so keep in touch with them & the rest of the family too. Post funeral can be a lonely time for them.
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kermo



Joined: 01 Sep 2004
Location: Eating eggs, with a comb, out of a shoe.

PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 12:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your letter hit home with me, as both of my grandfathers seem to be in a rocky state these days. I'm glad you're moving through the grief, and that you've had some proper support. I'm really sorry about what you're going through.

Living in a foreign country can be agonizing when relatives are not well. My mom visited for 10 days, and she was continually checking her email and lying awake worrying that her father would pass away while she was here. All I can do is see my grandfathers as often as I can, knowing that each time could be the last.

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(this info doesn't need to be public)

Would I feel awful if this guy passed away before I got a chance to see him again? I'm thinking no, but I might turn out to be wrong, and I might be depriving him of love he's entitled to.

Any thoughts?


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SeoulShakin



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 12:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That sounds like a tough situation to be in Kermo. It's hard not to hold grudges against people who have hurt people you love.

My question is this, and perhaps it's too personal to answer online, but it's something you can think about. Has he ever done anything to you, personally, to deserve your lack of affection? While others may feel that he is undeserving, if he's never been anything but kind to you, why would you deny him that? Everyone has bad pasts, and perhaps he had turned a new leaf and sincerely tried to do things right with you. If it's your mother he hurt, and even she is saying you should make an effort to go see him, perhaps it's time to bite the bullet.

If you want to just see him and visit him before it's too late, that's a great thing to do. If his health isn't too bad, you could even try telling him how you felt torn about seeing him. See what happens.

I don't think it's fair to completely write someone off who hasn't done anything to deserve it. If your mom and aunt have had problems (no matter how personal) it's really up to them to confront those issues. It's not your burden. It's hard to not take that burden on, especially if you love them, but all you can do is offer your support and love.

I'm not sure if this helped. I'm not sure if I'm even right. But I think that's what would go through my head were I in that situation.

Best of luck.
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kermo



Joined: 01 Sep 2004
Location: Eating eggs, with a comb, out of a shoe.

PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 1:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SeoulShakin wrote:
That sounds like a tough situation to be in Kermo. It's hard not to hold grudges against people who have hurt people you love.

My question is this, and perhaps it's too personal to answer online, but it's something you can think about. Has he ever done anything to you, personally, to deserve your lack of affection? While others may feel that he is undeserving, if he's never been anything but kind to you, why would you deny him that? Everyone has bad pasts, and perhaps he had turned a new leaf and sincerely tried to do things right with you. If it's your mother he hurt, and even she is saying you should make an effort to go see him, perhaps it's time to bite the bullet.

If you want to just see him and visit him before it's too late, that's a great thing to do. If his health isn't too bad, you could even try telling him how you felt torn about seeing him. See what happens.

I don't think it's fair to completely write someone off who hasn't done anything to deserve it. If your mom and aunt have had problems (no matter how personal) it's really up to them to confront those issues. It's not your burden. It's hard to not take that burden on, especially if you love them, but all you can do is offer your support and love.

I'm not sure if this helped. I'm not sure if I'm even right. But I think that's what would go through my head were I in that situation.

Best of luck.


That's the thing. (Sorry to hijack your thread.) I can forgive someone for what they've done to me. It's hard to forgive someone when there's a third (or fourth) party involved. There was mention of some sexual abuse in the distant past, but it doesn't seem to be a big issue these days. You can see where I'm coming from now...
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SeoulShakin



Joined: 05 Jan 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 1:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah that's a really tough place to be in.

Perhaps it could be a chance for you to talk to your mother/aunt about it, explain why you have mixed feelings, and take it from there?

My mother was adopted. She only has one or two memories from her biological parents, and one of them is of that nature. It's for that reason she has no desire to ever find her biological family. So I can (indirectly as it is) see where you would be torn.

I wish you the best.
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teachergirltoo



Joined: 28 Oct 2006

PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 2:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am very sorry for the loss of your grandma. Some of the supportive advice you have received here is excellent.

My grandmother also had Alzheimers which led to other problems. Just by chance, I was with her when she died a couple years ago and I understand now what is meant by the words that death is always harder on the living. Seeing her out of her pain and at peace, it seemed like a relief for her after she struggled so hard. I thought it might be scary but, she looked so serene I was happy that it was over for her. I know that this will be hard on you, but I hope as others have advised that you will concentrate on the wonderful memories you had with her when her mind and body were whole, and find strength in whatever faith you may adhere to for the future, or for those that have died.

Take good care of yourself.
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crusher_of_heads



Joined: 23 Feb 2007
Location: kimbop and kimchi for kimberly!!!!

PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 4:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SeoulShakin wrote:
crusher_of_heads wrote:
SeoulShakin wrote:
As much as a puppy hug would help, I don't think buying one hastily because I'm sad is a good decision. I'd probably adopt firstly, but since I'm unsure about future plans, it just wouldn't be the right thing to do.
Thanks though.


Strawberry Kiss Smoothie at Smoothie King, then!


That actually sounds pretty tasty. Wish there was one of those in Itaewon, since that's the closest place to me. The closest I can think of is in Myeongdong. That might be my weekend treat.


I know of 2 in Shinchon-possibly 3!
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chris_J2



Joined: 17 Apr 2006
Location: From Brisbane, Au.

PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 2:33 am    Post subject: Death in Family Reply with quote

Why not have two strawberry kiss smoothies? Or go to both places in Shinchon that sell them? OP: You owe it to yourself. You've had a harrowing week!
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Woland



Joined: 10 May 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 4:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You have my sympathies, seoulshakin.

My father passed away last winter six months after being diagnosed with terminal cancer. I was fortunate enough to be able to make it home three times before he died and spend time with him, as well as being there at the end.

Before that, both my mother and oldest brother passed away while I was working in Turkey, my brother suddenly the day before I was to go on a planned vacation. I understand the difficulty of being away from people you love at those moments well.

You've received a lot of good advice here and appear to be keeping yourself up well. Give yourself the time and space you need to grieve. Know that it isn't a fixed thing, with deadlines or required rituals, but something eacch of us does on our own, in our own ways. Don't let anyone rush you or tell you how to feel. Do what you feel is best for you.
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