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regicide
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| ED209 wrote: |
How's frame 224?
ps Take a bit of time today to learn how to use the quote function. Spelling and grammar mistakes are forgiveable, but in your last couple of posts I have no idea who you're talking about. |
Kennedy was hit in frame 224, Connely reacted in 238. Your attempt to circumvent the truth in this matter is disgusting.
Now, in regards to whether one bullet hit the President and the Governor, we know that the President is reacting at 224. We know that the Governor is reacting at 238. The difference between 224 and 238 is 14 frames, and there again, using the Zapruder film running at 18.3 frames per second, we have approximately the passing of three-quarters of a second, which is a very, very short time, gentlemen. I want to call t your attention that in dealing with the frames of the Zapruder film and the Zapruder camera, we are not talking about five minutes or any long length of time. In other words, gentlemen, every picture you see here was taken in 18.3 of a second and that's fast. So when I speak of 14 frames passing in three-fourths of a second, the time is really moving.
Now, you heard the testimony of Dr. Nichols, the pathologist, who ran tests with a 6.5 Mannlicher-Carcano rifle, and you heard the testimony of Agent Frazier, who told you that the rifle he examined was traveling, or the pellet rather was traveling at an average of 2,175 feet per second. It packed a muzzle energy of 1,676 foot pounds. Now in regards to the three-quarters of a second, Dr. Nichols, in his expert opinion, said that if Governor Connally had been struck by the same bullet that the President is reacting to in 224, that the Governor's reaction would have been instantaneous because of the force and the velocity of a 6.5 Mannlicher-Carcano shell. In fact, if I remember the testimony correctly, Dr. Nichols said that he would have had to react in 7/5, 760ths of a second. Seven over 5, 760th of a second. We also must turn our attention to dealing with the proposition of whether or not one bullet did the damage to the President and the Governor; if we have the passing of 14 frames and it took three-quarters of a second for the President and the Governor to react when the reaction should have been instantaneous, we should also turn our attention to that of 399, Commission Exhibit 399.
From the closing arguments in the Clay Shaw trial. The only criminal trial ever held concerning the assassination. As you know, Lee Oswald was "sheep dipped" or framed in New Orleans the summer of the assassination.
http://www.jfk-online.com/oserclosing.html
As usual your video is inaccurate and an attempt to cover up the truth in this matter.
You have to ask yourself what does Dr. Wecht have to gain for coming forth in this matter? Nothing is the answer.
On the other hand , the government has to deny this thing to the last man , and has all the reason in the world to say anything to protect their interests, including employing any witness of their choosing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nCf3C7R8dg
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regicide
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| Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 3:03 am Post subject: |
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| ED209 wrote: |
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| ED209 wrote: |
Fairy tale? I'm not the one quoting the bible.
How's frame 224?
ps Take a bit of time today to learn how to use the quote function. Spelling and grammar mistakes are forgiveable, but in your last couple of posts I have no idea who you're talking about. |
There's also the hard evidence of the bullet fragments in Governor Connelly's wrist that couldn't possibly have come from a bullet as perfect as number 399.
Alright. You claim there was one bullet that passed through Kennedys neck then hit Connelly.
And then it ended up in perfect condition. |
Yes, very pristine
...and from another angle.
But wait it was collected by the FBI so you may as well dismiss it. |
Now, in discussing 399 as to whether or not that particular pellet did the damage to the President and the Governor, I direct your attention to the testimony of Dr. Finck, who testified in court and told the Warren commission that, in his opinion, it was impossible for Commission Exhibit 399 to do all the damage to the President of the United Sates, going through his neck, and doing the damage to the Governor, because why, gentlemen? There were too many metal fragments in the wrist of the Governor. You heard testimony about the weight of this particular bullet. You heard testimony from Agent Frazier that the jacket of this particular bullet was intact, and that the jacket is a copper-jacket bullet containing lead on the inside, and as I said, basically intact. He did say a part of the jacket was removed when he submitted it to spectrographic analysis.
We also have testimony in the case from the witness stand that in the throat area, of the track through the throat of the President, there was metallic substances. We also have, gentlemen, in regard to this a very important point. We know as was set up with the pictures, according to the Zapruder film, that the President had reacted at frame 224. We know in the pictures and from the expert testimony that the Governor is reacting at approximately 238, and of course we know by merely viewing the film and viewing the photograph of frame 313 that the President was hit the final time at frame 313.
From the trial of Clay Shaw:
http://www.jfk-online.com/oserclosing.html |
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Hollywoodaction
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| Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 4:01 am Post subject: |
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| regicide wrote: |
I anticipated your response. I do not base what I think of the case on that movie.
However, it's presentation on the single bullet theory is as good as any.
Move on.
Anyone who believes in the single bullet theory has no standing to criticize someone else's sources or theories because your nonsense is the most unbelievable of them all.
I urge other people to critically examine the SBT by the means of your choice. However , all will point out the same unbelievable notion as is portrayed in JFK.
The angle of the shot ( down at a sharp angle, the condition of the bullet, the parts of the body hit, disregarding Tauge's injury) , are just a few of the reasons why that theory is just that.
Think about it for a second. The shot supposedly came from the sixth floor of a building which is a sharp angle down. Yet, according to the SBT, it flew level into Connely from Kennedy's neck. So a bullet flyng down all of a sudden was going straight. Then it bounces around all over the place.
Clark has no where to go here. He cannot convince anyone that the SBT is right and he will have to attack the source or the author.
He is a man who uses yet another government source to validate his case.
And the interview with Stone means nothing and actually helps my case in that it is the current history books THAT ARE indeed LIES, and that is what I am fighting against.
So don't lecture me about the inaccuracy of history as portrayed on movies or in books.
I am perfectly aware of that. |
Do you know why many NATO rifles use 5.56mm rounds instead of a more powerful one? One of the reasons is that when it enters the body, it bounces of the bones and shreds the organs before exiting. Bullets who hit someone in the skull can circle inside the head along the skull before exiting at a different angle. |
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regicide
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| Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 10:54 am Post subject: |
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| Hollywoodaction wrote: |
Do you know why many NATO rifles use 5.56mm rounds instead of a more powerful one? One of the reasons is that when it enters the body, it bounces of the bones and shreds the organs before exiting. Bullets who hit someone in the skull can circle inside the head along the skull before exiting at a different angle. |
Fair enough. But there is more to consider , including the Warren Commissions own witnesses. The bullet just couldn't and didnt do all that damage and end up in like-new condition. The bullet was planted and we will never know the true story regarding Kennedy's brain and the bullet that shattered it.
From the Clay Shaw trial referring to the Warren Commission report:
"Now, in discussing 399 as to whether or not that particular pellet did the damage to the President and the Governor, I direct your attention to the
testimony of Dr. Finck, who testified in court and told the
Warren commission
that, in his opinion, it was impossible for Commission Exhibit 399 to do all the damage to the President of the United Sates,
going through his neck, and doing the damage to the Governor, because why, gentlemen?
There were too many metal fragments in the wrist of the Governor. You heard testimony about the weight of this particular bullet. You heard testimony from Agent Frazier that the jacket of this particular bullet was intact, and that the jacket is a copper-jacket bullet containing lead on the inside, and as I said, basically intact. He did say a part of the jacket was removed when he submitted it to spectrographic analysis. "
The United States Secret Service's sole purpose for being in existence is to protect the POTUS. (President of the United States) On November 22, 1963, in Dallas Texas, they did not.
You can spin all the minutia of the day, including the framing of Lee Oswald , all day long. But you will not be able to explain away the Stand Down of protection in Dallas that day. Even the government's most able spin doctors can not.
You have seen the Secret Service Stand Down video. This further documents the Secret Service behavior. And although the producer of this video thinks JFK was killed over Vietnam, I do not. The basic premise that only parties within Kennedy's government could have ordered something like this, remains. We can never really be sure why Kennedy was killed , but we sure in the hell can see how and by whom.
See for yourself:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=V1Wmj9GPsQo |
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