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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| There's not a lot of other evidence likely and if the technology in Germany for unswivelling the pics satisfies the requirements of criminal law, a judge will allow it as evidence. Don't know about that yet. |
The technology they use is a simple filter in Photoshop. I tried it myself to see how easily I could recover images.
http://daehanmindecline.com/archive/20071016.html
A good lawyer could argue that the Germans altered the photo when they untwisted it. And they did alter the photo--they untwisted it. That could easily be enough to get it thrown out. |
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Gwangjuboy
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Location: England
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Lyrt
Joined: 26 May 2004
Location: Somewhere in France
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| Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 4:25 am Post subject: |
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| SPINOZA wrote: |
| There's not a lot of other evidence likely and if the technology in Germany for unswivelling the pics satisfies the requirements of criminal law, a judge will allow it as evidence. Don't know about that yet. |
The technology they use is a simple filter in Photoshop. I tried it myself to see how easily I could recover images.
http://daehanmindecline.com/archive/20071016.html
A good lawyer could argue that the Germans altered the photo when they untwisted it. And they did alter the photo--they untwisted it. That could easily be enough to get it thrown out. |
Actually, the technology used is far more complex than just using a reverse twirl in Photoshop. If the twirl filter is applied to the whole image, sure, �untwirling� it is an easy job. However, if the filter is applied on a specific area of the photograph � the face of the paedophile in that case � you�ll have to find the exact pixels of the selected part to reverse the twirl effect. Try the following in PS:
Open an image.
� Select an area with the marquee tool
� Apply the twirl effect
� Deselect
Now try to reselect the same are and apply a reverse twirl. Chances are you�ll fail. |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 4:28 am Post subject: |
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| Lyrt wrote: |
| RACETRAITOR wrote: |
| SPINOZA wrote: |
| There's not a lot of other evidence likely and if the technology in Germany for unswivelling the pics satisfies the requirements of criminal law, a judge will allow it as evidence. Don't know about that yet. |
The technology they use is a simple filter in Photoshop. I tried it myself to see how easily I could recover images.
http://daehanmindecline.com/archive/20071016.html
A good lawyer could argue that the Germans altered the photo when they untwisted it. And they did alter the photo--they untwisted it. That could easily be enough to get it thrown out. |
Actually, the technology used is far more complex than just using a reverse twirl in Photoshop. If the twirl filter is applied to the whole image, sure, �untwirling� it is an easy job. However, if the filter is applied on a specific area of the photograph � the face of the paedophile in that case � you�ll have to find the exact pixels of the selected part to reverse the twirl effect. Try the following in PS:
Open an image.
� Select an area with the marquee tool
� Apply the twirl effect
� Deselect
Now try to reselect the same are and apply a reverse twirl. Chances are you�ll fail. |
I'll give it a try and get back to you, but it's certainly not going to be impossible. |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 4:36 am Post subject: |
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| Lyrt wrote: |
| RACETRAITOR wrote: |
| SPINOZA wrote: |
| There's not a lot of other evidence likely and if the technology in Germany for unswivelling the pics satisfies the requirements of criminal law, a judge will allow it as evidence. Don't know about that yet. |
The technology they use is a simple filter in Photoshop. I tried it myself to see how easily I could recover images.
http://daehanmindecline.com/archive/20071016.html
A good lawyer could argue that the Germans altered the photo when they untwisted it. And they did alter the photo--they untwisted it. That could easily be enough to get it thrown out. |
Actually, the technology used is far more complex than just using a reverse twirl in Photoshop. If the twirl filter is applied to the whole image, sure, �untwirling� it is an easy job. However, if the filter is applied on a specific area of the photograph � the face of the paedophile in that case � you�ll have to find the exact pixels of the selected part to reverse the twirl effect. Try the following in PS:
Open an image.
� Select an area with the marquee tool
� Apply the twirl effect
� Deselect
Now try to reselect the same are and apply a reverse twirl. Chances are you�ll fail. |
So, you create a program that goes through all the pixels, one at a time, saving the images that it has been programmed to recognize as a human face. Doesn't seem difficult given the stuff they can get computers to do nowadays.
....or you hire Racetraitor for 20 000 won per hour and all the beer he can drink. Whichever is the cheapest. |
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Julius
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 4:40 am Post subject: |
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He looks totally creepy in the cnn photo.
Those of us who do a genuinely good teaching job get sick and tired of esl being the dumping ground of the dross of western humanity.
Koreas bad at times but it ain't nothing compared to the freakish foreigner communities of cambodia and Vietnam... |
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desperation
Joined: 17 Apr 2007
Location: Those who know, won't say and those who say, don't know. Welcome to Dave's !
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I remember his posts because he posted long and provocative posts on hot topics for a long time. I remember each one I saw reposted here as well as his avatar.
Its sad the po-po do not know any of his victims names or locations, including those I presume are in Korea. Sorry, but I don't assume he was inactive while here, unlike the rest of you. Nor do I think they want to investigate it here. That would be almost unimaginable, this is Korea. Not america. I don't see child shrinks running into his old school with anotomically correct dolls and public service announcement videos played for special assemblies in the cafeteria.
Instead, I think efforts will be concentrated on more hoops for us to jump through and pay for. We already pay for and get exposed to cancer causing chest x-rays (yearly?) for no good reason just because one teacher had TB! You think this guy is not going to affect what we have to do every year to get visas? I think you're wrong. I see some fingerprint checks with our home countries' federal authorities at our expen$e coming real f-ing soon... and more too maybe. I also think its going to change how we are looked at. Now, instead of just being diseased sex-crazed druggies, we're going to be compared to him. His parents/family will never sleep through the night again. His victims will obviously suffer and his coworkers and students and their families will also never be the same again. Nor will they see a male foreign teacher the same way again. This is a big problem for all of us and I hope we can unite on how to combat its effects. We will feel them, I am sure of it.
Boy, what a pain in the asss he is!
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Lyrt
Joined: 26 May 2004
Location: Somewhere in France
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| Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 4:44 am Post subject: |
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| Hollywoodaction wrote: |
So, you create a program that goes through all the pixels, one at a time, saving the images that it has been programmed to recognize as a human face. Doesn't seem difficult given the stuff they can get computers to do nowadays.
....or you hire Racetraitor for 20 000 won per hour and all the beer he can drink. Whichever is the cheapest. |
If you use the elliptical and not the rectangular marquee tool, headaches await you. My point is you need some powerful technology to do that. That�s all. The German police are indeed worthy of praise. |
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Kimchi Cowboy
Joined: 17 Sep 2006
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Edited due to being struck by logic after the fact.
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Natalia
Joined: 10 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 4:48 am Post subject: |
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Its sad the po-po do not know any of his victims names or locations, including those I presume are in Korea. Sorry, but I don't assume he was inactive while here, unlike the rest of you. Nor do I think they want to investigate it here. That would be almost unimaginable, this is Korea. Not america. I don't see child shrinks running into his old school with anotomically correct dolls and public service announcement videos played for special assemblies in the cafeteria. |
You're right.
I never for a second thought he doesn't have victims in Korea. Why would he stop all of a sudden? Why would he take jobs teaching children?
I find some of the relieved claims of 'the news said there are no victims here, so that's good' to be ridiculous. I'm sure every child sexual assult victim comes racing forward to sell their story to the press. 
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 4:49 am Post subject: |
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| Lyrt wrote: |
| Hollywoodaction wrote: |
So, you create a program that goes through all the pixels, one at a time, saving the images that it has been programmed to recognize as a human face. Doesn't seem difficult given the stuff they can get computers to do nowadays.
....or you hire Racetraitor for 20 000 won per hour and all the beer he can drink. Whichever is the cheapest. |
If you use the elliptical and not the rectangular marquee tool, headaches await you. My point is you need some powerful technology to do that. That�s all. The German police are indeed worthy of praise. |
I gave it a shot and it isn't easy. You would eventually get it through trial and error, or maybe it would be faster to create the program Hollywoodaction suggests. You wouldn't even need facial recognition software, just a different kind of tool than Photoshop currently provides. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 4:55 am Post subject: |
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Interpol has a link to his posts here on Dave's. The investigation is now being led by the Canadian police, because the prime suspect is a Canadian. The guy I used to drink with in Yongin is in fact the prime suspect.
Some people have asked questions that I think I can answer...
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The guy was apparently caught on cameras at Incheon airport. He fled Korea because photos of him were circulated at Interpol.
If the Korean police had photos of this guy, and cameras at the airport identified him the question must be asked. Why was he able to flee South Korea? Why didn't the police/immigration pick him up?
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Here's the timeline:
October 8th: Interpol (and http://khmer440.com) posts the story.
October 9th: Thread appears on Dave's ESL Cafe with the story and pictures.
October 9th: Chris deletes his Facebook account.
October 9th-11th: Sources from Yongin contact Interpol with full name and nationality, and former places of work for Chris Neil.
October 12th: Apparently the Korean police were on their way to question him just hours before he left the country. |
What I don't get is - why didn't the kOrean police flag his name if he was a "person of interest"? |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 4:57 am Post subject: |
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| Lyrt wrote: |
| RACETRAITOR wrote: |
| SPINOZA wrote: |
| There's not a lot of other evidence likely and if the technology in Germany for unswivelling the pics satisfies the requirements of criminal law, a judge will allow it as evidence. Don't know about that yet. |
The technology they use is a simple filter in Photoshop. I tried it myself to see how easily I could recover images.
http://daehanmindecline.com/archive/20071016.html
A good lawyer could argue that the Germans altered the photo when they untwisted it. And they did alter the photo--they untwisted it. That could easily be enough to get it thrown out. |
Actually, the technology used is far more complex than just using a reverse twirl in Photoshop. If the twirl filter is applied to the whole image, sure, �untwirling� it is an easy job. However, if the filter is applied on a specific area of the photograph � the face of the paedophile in that case � you�ll have to find the exact pixels of the selected part to reverse the twirl effect. Try the following in PS:
Open an image.
� Select an area with the marquee tool
� Apply the twirl effect
� Deselect
Now try to reselect the same are and apply a reverse twirl. Chances are you�ll fail. |
I do all my artwork in Photoshop - doing this would not be hard at all. It'd take a bit of time... but for someone with intermediate PS skills - very possible. |
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Lyrt
Joined: 26 May 2004
Location: Somewhere in France
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| Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 4:59 am Post subject: |
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I gave it a shot and it isn't easy. You would eventually get it through trial and error, or maybe it would be faster to create the program Hollywoodaction suggests. You wouldn't even need facial recognition software, just a different kind of tool than Photoshop currently provides. |
Absolutely, I just wanted to point out that your average PS user won�t be able to do it. You have to find the right marquee tool used, the exact pixels of the selected area and the precise angle used. That�s a lot of variables. It�s obviously not impossible since the German police made it possible. But it�s not fair to laugh at them and say they just used PS. They indeed used a complex technology. The thing is I now doubt paedophiles around the world will use that filter. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 5:02 am Post subject: |
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What I don't get is - why didn't the kOrean police flag his name if he was a "person of interest"? |
Yeah don't you have to go through freakin' exit customs here? Ah Korean police work at its finest... |
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