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| What is acceptable turnover at a "nice and respected" university in one year? |
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12% |
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37% |
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12% |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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 Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2003 10:04 am Post subject: Go, stay, go. What is okay? |
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What is acceptable (or reasonable) turnover at a "nice and respected" university within one year? Let's say there are 12 foreign instructors at the university (teaching English). (For the purpose of this poll, the foreign instructors teaching other languages and subjects will be excluded.)
Last edited by Real Reality on Tue Oct 28, 2003 5:47 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Hotel Cheonan
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: Gwangju
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| Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2003 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Since I've been at my uni job about two people have left each semester. The reasons they left have been varied, different countries, back home etc. Of course if many people leave, it doesn't necessarily reflect on the university. |
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Son Deureo!
Joined: 30 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2003 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Wouldn't this depend on how many professors they have in the first place? If they only had a staff of 12 foreign profs, a turnover of 12 profs would be terrible. On the other hand, if they had a staff of 200 profs, losing 12 in a year wouldn't be anywhere near as big as a deal... |
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weatherman
Joined: 14 Jan 2003
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2003 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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For teachers of conversational English at Univeristies located in Korea, I would have to say that a 33% turn over per year wouldn't be that bad. I have somehow held on to my job for 5 years and signing for a 6th, (and more) and the worst I have seen here was in one semester 3 teachers left and one unwillingly--(But found a better job in the end.  ) And then the other semester was 2 more teaches out for their own reasons. That equals 50% but for the most it has been about 3 teachers a year. |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2003 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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University of California, Berkeley
Berkeley's current level of academic resources will sustain a 5% rate of regular faculty turnover per year for the foreseeable future.
spc.vcbf.berkeley.edu/document/acadplan.doc
Calgary School District
5% turnover per year
Canadian Rockies Regional Division
8% turnover
Edmonton Public School District
10-15% turnover
http://www.ualberta.ca/~esa/public_school_divisions.htm |
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katydid
Joined: 02 Feb 2003
Location: Here kitty kitty kitty...
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| Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2003 8:03 pm Post subject: |
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I know in hagwan life getting fired can be for purely arbitrary reasons, but in uni life, is it the same? Has anyone ever been fired from a uni just because?
The academic standards at my school aren't very high, and I try to be as personable as I can with my hagwan students (which isn't hard, I actually like chatting with people). I just have four months left on this contract and wonder what my next step should be, as I would like to stay for another year. A note saying how much I love it here attached to some roses and a gift certificate to Shinsegae?  |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2003 2:51 am Post subject: |
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Tiger Beer
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2003 6:01 am Post subject: |
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Let them all go.. gets me in the door and I'll have seniority too.
goddammnit yeah! gabba gabba hey |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2003 12:52 pm Post subject: |
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Tiger Beer,
Are you all right? Have you been drinking? |
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Tiger Beer
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2003 1:20 pm Post subject: |
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Tiger Beer,
Are you all right? Have you been drinking? |
Just selfish.
If a 'good and respected' university lost all of their staff then there would be alot of job openings, and hopefully one for me.
I'm just being selfish about it.
Realistically, figuring if I had a masters degree in linguistics or TESOL.. i'd say it would depend on the size of the staff.. and why they were leaving if it seemed a high number that were going out the door.
With my bachelors however, I'd have to take what I could get and whatever number would be completely acceptable. As long as it was a legit university job teaching legit university classes with vacation time, limited actual teaching hours, and everything else. |
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matthewwoodford
Joined: 01 Oct 2003
Location: Location, location, location.
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| Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2003 11:08 am Post subject: |
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Yeah! Let them all leave so I can get in there.
Hey to all you people working in uni's: how many ELT teachers there do not have Masters' degrees?
Matt |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2003 3:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Each teacher has at least a master's degree. Some of them have several advanced degrees. |
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