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Tiger Beer

Joined: 07 Feb 2003

Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 8:14 am Post subject: Daves ESL CAFE in the Int'l Herald Tribune --> Jackson/Ne

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/10/16/europe/EU-GEN-Interpol-Manhunt.php

Just published 20 minutes ago by the Associated Press:

Quote:

AP Exclusive: Police believe suspected pedophile spoke about erasing files 'so no one can see'

PARIS: A suspected pedophile being hunted by Interpol is believed by police to have contributed to an online forum for teachers, writing under a pseudonym about the risks of catching HIV from oral sex and how to erase pornographic computer files "so no one will see."

Two teachers who knew and socialized with him told The Associated Press that the online pseudonym "Peter Jackson" belonged to Christopher Paul Neil, a 32-year-old Canadian schoolteacher now being sought for allegedly abusing young boys.

The worldwide manhunt for Neil is now centered on Thailand. Authorities say he flew into Bangkok on Thursday on a one-way ticket and is still at large. In Canada, his brother urged him to turn himself in.

Before he disappeared, more than 300 messages under the name Peter Jackson were posted on a forum for English teachers called Dave's ESL Cafe. The posts are a window into the mind of a man who comes off as dedicated to teaching, well-traveled and well-spoken � but with a sophomoric sense of humor. Sex is a recurring theme, though he never mentions an attraction to children.

"Jackson" complained about condoms in South Korea, talked about a nurse who bathed him in a Thai hospital and described rebuffing a man who hit on him in a sauna. He discussed how to delay or skirt police background checks needed for some teaching jobs.

He also wrote that he was "SO nervous" on his first trip to South Korea, where he taught English, because he had a couple of Penthouse magazines in his bag.

"I ended up tossing them in the bin at the airport washroom," he wrote in the posting on May 18.

In the same posting, part of an online discussion with several people about pornography, he also wrote: "If you're worried about any 'content' there are several ways to encrypt your drive."

"If you want to get rid of old files so no one will see, then simply deleting them will not work," he added.

A lead officer working the case also said investigators strongly suspect that postings by "Jackson" were Neil's, and have told police in Southeast Asia about the possible pseudonym. The investigator spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the case.

Neighboring Southeast Asian countries have placed border guards on alert, and Neil's arrival at Bangkok's international airport was caught on camera at the immigration counter.

That photo, released by Interpol, shows a man with a cleanly shaved head and eyeglasses dressed in a white button-down shirt. Authorities believe it is the same man whose digitally blurred image had appeared in about 200 Internet photos that allegedly showed him sexually abusing young Vietnamese and Cambodian boys.

Kim Scanlan of the Toronto police child exploitation unit said Neil will be extradited to Canada once he is arrested.

"The paperwork has been put place for that to happen," Scanlan said. "When he's located, he'll be returned to Canada. We have travel and sex offender offenses so he'll be prosecuted in Canada."

Matthew Neil, his younger brother, said the family hopes he will turn himself in.

"My mother is devastated and the family is in shock," he said from the family home in Maple Ridge, British Columbia.

Interpol issued an unprecedented global appeal for help in identifying and tracing the suspect on Oct. 8 after their own efforts to track him down failed.

Investigators had been hunting for the man for three years, since German police discovered online photographs of him allegedly abusing underage boys. He was allegedly shown sexually abusing 12 Vietnamese and Cambodian boys, apparently as young as 6.

The man's face was initially disguised behind a digitalized swirl but German police unblurred the images of him and released four reconstructed photos last week.

On Monday, after receiving hundreds of tips, Interpol announced it had identified the suspect. Thai and Cambodian police revealed the man's age, name and nationality, saying their information came from Interpol.

omitting the name, a Canadian teacher who socialized with Neil when he lived in the South Korean city of Yongin, said she contacted Interpol after seeing its photos, as did two other acquaintances. Neil often went out with her circle of expatriates, and he loved to sing karaoke, she said. None of her friends suspected anything sinister about him, she said.

"He had a number of close friends. He came out regularly for drinks. He was certainly not a pariah," omitting the name said in a telephone interview.

omitting the name described him as "a little awkward. ... I think he was outgoing, but he wasn't very smooth," she said.

Another teacher, omitting the name, said he taught with Neil at the Kwangju Foreign School in the city of Gwangju. Neil went there in August to work, and the two communicated online before he arrived.

"When he got here, he said, 'Hi, here I am, I'm Peter Jackson,' I distinctly remember him telling me he was Peter Jackson," omitting the name said.

Pearson said he recognized Neil in one of the Interpol photos. After those photos were released, Neil did not show up for class on Thursday.

"Jackson" has not made any posts since disappearing. In one past online message, he said he liked having cameras in the classroom: "If a student or parent makes an accusation of some sort, it is extremely easy to prove or disprove if the lesson is on film," he wrote. "Think of it as safety."

He also posted original poems, including one called "Shelter me," from the point of view of a Bangkok street child. The narrator asks for protection from "the hookers and the trannies ... from my mommy, and the pimps."

Last edited by Tiger Beer on Tue Oct 16, 2007 9:04 am; edited 2 times in total

crsandus

Joined: 05 Oct 2004

Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 8:24 am Post subject:

EDIT

kermo

Joined: 01 Sep 2004
Location: Eating eggs, with a comb, out of a shoe.

Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 8:30 am Post subject:

The CBC has another angle:

Quote:

The suspect in an international pedophile investigation is a former seminary student from British Columbia.

International police believe they are closing in on Christopher Paul Neil, 32, of Maple Ridge, who they believe appears in photographs released last week. Neil, who was working as an English teacher in South Korea, has been the subject of a worldwide, three-year manhunt.

Interpol released this photograph of the suspected pedophile taken at the Bangkok International Airport last Thursday.
(Interpol/Thai immigration authorities/Associated Press)
Neil graduated from Christ the King Seminary in Mission with a B.A. in history, said Rev. Nicholas Ruh, the school's rector. But he said Neil was not recommended for the priesthood.

"He just did not have the qualifications as a person," said Ruh, who could not confirm when Neil attended the school, but estimated it was more than five years ago.

Hyeon Een

Joined: 24 Jun 2005

Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 8:52 am Post subject:

I've never seen journalism in-the-works as-it-happened before. I am impressed they pulled all that together so quickly (a bunch of it coming from this site then appearing in the IHT, and a bunch of it coming from other sources). It seems like the journalists did a better job than I would have expected in a case like this. I strongly suspect at least one poster here was mentioned as a source ( but I won't mention who) Of course the quotes from posts here are nothing special. I suspect we could drag out posts from half-a-hundred posters here which would look pretty incriminating in certain circumstances; however the IHT article seems pretty good. I also think they could have chosen a 'better' Jackson poem. Well done the press though; it could have been much worse, even in the English media. I "look forward" to the Korean media input. I don't know why, but I suspect the fallout will be less than in the English Spectrum scandal of a while back. (That was the only case, ever, I had a Korean question me about. For some reason I don't think it will happen so much in this case, probably because it doesn't involve Koreans)

bassexpander

Joined: 13 Sep 2007
Location: Someplace you'd rather be.

Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 8:55 am Post subject:

His myspace poems are the freaky ones:

Quote:

6:42 AM - 2 Comments - 2 Kudos - Add Comment

September 13, 2005 - Tuesday

Something silly...

Farang for breakfast, farang for tea

I long to be your coffee break

Your midnight snack, your brief dessert

Could I be your evening meal

Or sit with you at half-past two?

I could be your ATM

Your boon companion

Your dear best friend

I could be penciled in at 3:00

Or scheduled in just after tea

Just give me something, darling, dear

I�ll even take a Singha beer!

12:19 AM - 0 Comments - 0 Kudos - Add Comment

More..

I�ve got to get out of myself

Free this slave, endure this trial no more

I�m running as fast as I can

My only hope is to let this go

Be alone

Escape this entrapment

The circle�s getting smaller

The tunnel narrower

Flexing on with a string

Tied amidst my waist

Holding on to a desperate feeling

Enslaved love

Forgotten reality

Bitter estrangement

Lonely entanglement

But did I ever care before?

So why do I strive to now?

Forgetting myself but not for a good way

Leaving my thoughts abandoned to perish in the putrid sewer-stench sois

As they curve and wind their deceiving way through my scarcely beating heart

Offering up their riches clad in the cloak of perished decency

Cloning for me a mirror-imperfect image of what I try to pass off as love

And just as another distant heart slowly beats next to mine

Only thoughts of lack of self and lack of sense show me up one more time

To wallow in this banged-up room, bruising me slowly, blow by blow

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Stuff from my trip...

At the crossroads

Look at street sign love

And that way lust

Not knowing

Which one I was longing for

On the corner

There

The same lonely decrepit soul

As before

This time a conundrum

For there was one

Sporting the glasses

Soft voice politely urging

The others

Pretty as made-up cheery trees

Blossoming falsely on a sordid-sewer hot day

They beckon also

Theirs causing a slightly sharper warmth

Down in my nether land

But the bespectacled tall, thin anomaly

Uniquely led me

�Follow the spectacle path!�

I obliged

Leaving pure lust for another night

Should boredom set in.

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September 12, 2005 - Monday

In Laos...

I'm in Laos right now....will be taking the "Beer Bus" from hell on Thursday. It's only $5 US to the border, then it's some cowboy style ride the the Nam side. Should be fun...thought i'd post some stuff I've written in the past few weeks...

Jen...how's the battle going? Actually I've jumped on that wagon if you're still aboard....Day 2 for me after a few untoward adventures with Beer Lao. That stuff must truly be the worst swill on the planet!!

Spending far beyond my means as always and I've met someone...still working that one out. New territory for me and it may be heading toward the "L" word.....(no Jen, not THAT word). Kinda scary cause I didn't come for this...

I'll post a few pictures here. Feel free to have a gander..and check out the blogs below...

Peace,

11:54 PM - 0 Comments - 0 Kudos - Add Comment

August 16, 2005 - Tuesday

Time

Time

I remember envelopes bursting with money
children bursting with laughter
and bellies bursting with liquor

I can name Curtis and Justin and Brian
And a frizzled haired Egyptian named Mary
OB Lager by the keg-full, stumbling home

I can see trees and mountains on good days
Smell the street scents, so tempting yet revolting
Upchuck by the bucketful, friendly Seoul

I watch the sky at night from a rickety old rooftop paradise, a parody
Lying there, bottles tumbling, beer spilling, Ajumma in a night gown swearing
All this for a moment��s time the perfect white god conquest, I am free

But I watched Fate smile and nod her ugly head as my rooftop makeshift throne
came crashing down upon me with a chuckle
A hacking, heel-wearing vixen cackling as my legs bucked below me

Now time collided with my heels, stopping, forcing me to lie
Upon some other foreign shore alone except a nameless, faceless *beep*
Who shared my sand, my life, my shame, enroute to die

I shared this spot before with Wilma, so we called her, the sand-formed beauty
My friend created so gingerly and God, did she look pretty
But my eyes fixed elsewhere, upon the shirtless urchin who for 10 baht sold his life

And dear friend whiskey was always there to greet me
To lead me alone along a guarded path, past Wilma��s sweet embrace and there, at last
I swam up to my thighs, heading home, to some familiar place, now way past saving face

Yet I wondered, Heineken in hand, had God created this loathsome beach
And all the trench dwellers who stake their claim so happily upon its sand?
Then the urchin��s smile, alone in my mind, showed a pity and a love, divine.

khyber

Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Compunction Junction

Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 9:29 am Post subject:

Why is it weirdos and psychotics go straight for art. Have you seen the paintings by john wayne gacy? THAT is effed.

Qinella

Joined: 25 Feb 2005
Location: the crib

Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 10:04 am Post subject: Re: Daves ESL CAFE in the Int'l Herald Tribune --> Jackso

Quote:

Neil often went out with her circle of expatriates, and he loved to sing karaoke, she said. None of her friends suspected anything sinister about him, she said.

I think a lot of people misunderstand criminals. You always hear comments like this after a crime. I'm sure the guy is a regular fella, except that he has a blemish on his mind that causes him to act irrationally at times. Of course he's not walking around with his wang hanging out and showing off pictures of naked Cambodian kids to his acquaintances..

I'm probably one of the few people to feel deep sympathy for this Neil character. It's obvious from his terrible poetry that he hates his perverted lusts but is powerless to change. It's such a sad scenario. I liken it to a heroin or crack addict, who knows he's ruining his life, but can't bring himself to change.

The man deserves punishment, and I suppose the righteous indignation so easily spewed by those faultless individuals looking on, but I also believe he deserves pity.

Manner of Speaking

Joined: 09 Jan 2003

Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 11:26 am Post subject:

It's on the Yahoo! news website as well.

Wow.

Publicity for Dave's, in the worst way:

Quote:

Suspected pedophile left tracks on Web
By ANGELA DOLAND and JOHN LEICESTER, Associated Press Writers
18 minutes ago

PARIS - A suspected pedophile being hunted by Interpol contributed to an online forum for teachers, and police say they believe he wrote under a pseudonym about the risks of catching HIV from oral sex and how to erase pornographic computer files "so no one will see."

Two teachers who knew and socialized with Christopher Paul Neil, a 32-year-old Canadian now being sought for allegedly abusing young boys, told The Associated Press he wrote extensively online under the pseudonym "Peter Jackson." They described him as a social, fun-loving person, and said no one in their circles suspected him of pedophilia.

The worldwide manhunt for Neil, who eluded police for years, is now centered on Thailand. Authorities say Neil flew into Bangkok on a one-way ticket Thursday and is still at large.

From Canada, Neil's brother urged him to turn himself in. "My mother is devastated and the family is in shock," Matthew Neil said from the family home in Maple Ridge, British Columbia.

Before Neil disappeared last week, more than 300 messages under the name Peter Jackson had been posted on a forum for English teachers called Dave's ESL Cafe. The posts are a window into the mind of a man who portrays himself as dedicated to teaching, well-traveled and well-spoken � but with a sophomoric sense of humor. Sex is a recurring theme, though he never mentions an attraction to children.

In one posting, Jackson discusses wearing condoms during oral sex as HIV protection, and described rebuffing a man who hit on him in a sauna. "The guy was lucky," he wrote. "I am not violent."

He also discussed how to delay or skirt police background checks needed for some teaching jobs, and wrote that he was "SO nervous" on his first trip to South Korea, where he taught English, because he had Penthouse magazines in his bag.

"I ended up tossing them in the bin at the airport washroom," he wrote in the posting on May 18.

In the same posting, part of an online discussion with several people about pornography, he wrote: "If you're worried about any 'content' there are several ways to encrypt your drive."

"If you want to get rid of old files so no one will see, then simply deleting them will not work," he added.

A lead Interpol officer working the case said investigators strongly suspect the Jackson postings were from Neil, and have told police in Southeast Asia about the pseudonym. The investigator spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the case.

Interpol issued an unprecedented global appeal Oct. 8 for help identifying the suspect. Investigators had been seeking the man for three years, since German police discovered online photographs of him allegedly abusing Vietnamese and Cambodian boys, some appearing to be as young as age 6.

The man's face was initially disguised behind a digitalized swirl, but German police unscrambled the images and released four reconstructed photos last week.

Interpol received hundreds of tips and identified Neil by name as a suspect Tuesday.

After Neil fled South Korea last week, his arrival at Bangkok's international airport was caught on camera at the immigration counter. That photo, released by Interpol, shows a man with a cleanly shaved head and eyeglasses dressed in a white button-down shirt.

Kim Scanlan of the Toronto police child exploitation unit said Neil would be extradited to Canada once he is arrested. "The paperwork has been put in place for that to happen," Scanlan said.

Capt. Hope Carr, a public affairs officer for Canada's military, filled in details of Neil's background, saying he had worked as a chaplain and counselor for youths ages 12 to 18 from 1998 to 2000 at a cadet training center in Nova Scotia. There were no complaints about Neil at that time, Carr said.

Sex offenders from various countries have shown up teaching English in Asia, where schools say it can be difficult to screen applicants from abroad. John Mark Karr, who claimed to have killed 6-year-old JonBenet Ramsey in Colorado, was arrested in Bangkok last year. Police later freed him, saying they could not corroborate his claims.

Like the current suspect, Karr worked as an English teacher in Bangkok and in South Korea, among other places. Neil also worked in Vietnam, an acquaintance said.

Amy Bowler, a Canadian teacher who socialized with Neil when he lived in the South Korean city of Yongin, said she contacted Interpol after seeing the photos, hoping the inquiry would prove her suspicions wrong. Two acquaintances also contacted the Lyon, France-based international police agency, she said.

Neil often socialized with her circle, and he loved to sing karaoke, she said.

"He had a number of close friends, he came out regularly for drinks, he was certainly not a pariah," Bowler said by telephone. She described him as "a little awkward."

"I think he was outgoing, but he wasn't very smooth," said Bowler, who said she has been in regular contact with Interpol.

Another teacher, Kia Pearson, said he taught with Neil at the Kwangju Foreign School in the city of Gwangju. Neil went there in August to work.

"We met girls together, socially, and he was very attracted to girls, I thought he was a normal guy," Pearson said.

Pearson said he recognized Neil in an Interpol photo. After the photos were released, Neil did not show up for class on Thursday. Both Pearson and Bowler said Neil used his pseudonym, Jackson, in their communications on the Web forum.

Jackson has not made any posts since last week.

In one past message, he said he liked having cameras in the classroom. "If a student or parent makes an accusation of some sort, it is extremely easy to prove or disprove if the lesson is on film," he wrote. "Think of it as safety."

He also posted original poems, including one called "Shelter me," from the point of view of a Bangkok street child. The narrator asks for protection from "the hookers and the trannies ... from my mommy, and the pimps."

___

Associated Press Writers Kelly Olsen in Seoul, South Korea, and Jocelyn Gecker, Ambika Ahuja and Sutin Wannabovorn in Bangkok, Thailand, and Robert Gillies in Toronto contributed to this report.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071016/ap_on_re_eu/interpol_manhunt

Manner of Speaking

Joined: 09 Jan 2003

Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 11:30 am Post subject:

What an effing fruitcake. I hope they find him dead in an alley somewhere.

indytrucks

Joined: 09 Apr 2003
Location: The Shelf

Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 2:00 pm Post subject:

Manner of Speaking wrote:

Publicity for Dave's, in the worst way

I was thinking the same thing. I wonder if there will be any kind of backlash on this place, and the people who run and 'moderate' it, taking into account that the accused spoke openly about dodging police checks and encrypting/erasing pornography whilst going through customs. I know hindsight is 20/20, but you'd think that someone giving tips on how to encrypt porn on your laptop might send up a red flag or two.

I know that personally, I'm going to pay far closer attention to what is said around here, especially as it pertains to issues of prostitution, porn and other depraved behaviour. Free speech, whatever. Apparently there's a fine line between irreverent and moonbat.

mrsquirrel

Joined: 13 Dec 2006

Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 3:02 pm Post subject:

No doubt the place will be infiltrated by koreans, server will crash from being overloaded and then it will be blocked from Korea.

The Lemon

Joined: 11 Jan 2003

Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 3:37 pm Post subject:

Quote:

I know hindsight is 20/20, but you'd think that someone giving tips on how to encrypt porn on your laptop might send up a red flag or two.

Wait a minute. There are plenty of valid reasons to encrypt files on a laptop (he mentioned Truecrypt) that have nothing to do with child porn.

Let's not criminalize privacy, or suggest any link between encryption and child porn. Or that a discussion of using encryption is related to the abuse of small children and needs to raise "red flags".

Thanks.

canuckistan
Mod Team

Joined: 17 Jun 2003
Location: Training future GS competitors.....

Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 4:09 pm Post subject:

indytrucks wrote:

Manner of Speaking wrote:

Publicity for Dave's, in the worst way

The "Peter Jackson" ID was never a behavioural problem for the mods, nor do I recall anyone having made post reports about anything he posted here. The majority of his stuff is average bla bla on an internet message board. I think the "Mr Average" thing is why he was able to fly under everyone's radar for so long.

Reading some of his comments these days now that we know what we know is pretty creepy though.

jaganath69

Joined: 17 Jul 2003

Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 4:19 pm Post subject:

The Lemon wrote:

Thank you for lifting reason from the storm of knee-jerk bullsh#t that is so often stirred up when things like this go down. Drinks; I'm gonna buy you a few should our paths cross.

indytrucks

Joined: 09 Apr 2003
Location: The Shelf

Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 4:29 pm Post subject:

The Lemon wrote:

Quote:

I know hindsight is 20/20, but you'd think that someone giving tips on how to encrypt porn on your laptop might send up a red flag or two.

Oh, for crying out loud. Context, man, context. Go back and read the original thread in question. I'm pretty sure, if memory serves, the discussion did not revolve around matters of simple privacy. It specifically revolved around getting porn past customs officers.

This sort of reply was inevitable. I wasn't advocating some 'knee jerk' (as another poster mentioned) 'criminalisation of privacy.' Some common sense is in order in these matters.

Edit: Here's the thread in question. Peter Jackson's intent is fairly obvious, GIVED THE GD CONTEXT.

http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=87251&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15

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