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[some waygug-in]

Well aside from the things mentioned in another thread, which was requested by you, there are plenty of things that simply don't add up.

http://journalof911studies.com/volume/200704/DavidRayGriffin911Empire.pdf

There are 6 questions (or talking points if you will) discussed in the above essay. I have never seen any reasonable attempts at answering them.

Other than the usual," they were asleep at the switch" explanation.


If you would be so kind as to read and then give your thoughts on the first one (pages 5 - the first half of 7) regarding the failure of Norad on that day, I would be greatful.

Thank you.

[blaseblasphemener]

[mindmetoo]

[loose_ends]

^I'm waiting....

[blaseblasphemener]

mm2, your rebuttals are far too simplistic and "one-off". If you can't even put in the time to make a half-asssed rebuttal, then don't pretend that you are seeking to find the truth. You look like you are just trying to argue for argument sake. Specifically, your rebuttal to the question of jets not being scrambled is amateurish. You also pick and choose, and conveniently avoid the questions about the Cheney timeline, the pentagon not being protected by missile defence, the expert testimony that the maneuver by the plane hitting the pentagon would be impossible for a pilot of his training, and the videos of whatever hit the pentagon not showing a plane. These questions you are conveniently avoiding. Are you serious, or are you in the jinju/cbc school of debate?

[loose_ends]

[mindmetoo]

[contrarian]

I watched the whole darn Zwicker presentation. It was a Bs, Ms and PhD king of presentation.

Bullsh!t, Moresh!t and piled higher and deeper presentation. The whole premise semingly was that since war games scenatiors where writting the must have been used.

Where are all of the people of those aircraft? Is just one quetion that should be asked.

[some waygug-in]

In response to your citing of the Popular Mechanics article:

http://911research.wtc7.net/letters/pm/index.html

Regarding the number of NORAD intercepts, in your reply to Elliot Lemmon
you assert that "Numerous conspiracy theorist cite these as 'proof' NORAD
intercepted flights more frequently than PM stated. However, when
excerpting the clippings, conspiracy theorists leave out a few important
details. Here's the full quote from the Knight Ridder story as it appeared
in the Colorado Springs Gazette: 'From June 2000 to September 2001, NORAD
scrambled fighters 67 times but not over the continental United States.' "

The problem with your explanation is that Elliot Lemmon didn't say
anything about the continental United States. What he wrote was (and
correctly quoting your magazine) "Your claim that NORAD intercepted only
one civilian plane over North America in the decade before 9/11 is in
opposition to the facts. The following quote from Maj. Douglas Martin, a
NORAD spokesman, contradicts you: 'From Sept. 11 to June [2002], NORAD
scrambled jets or diverted combat air patrols 462, almost seven times as
often as the 67 scrambles from Sept. 2000 to June 2001, Martin said.' "

As can be seen here it is clear that rather than admit that not everything
you wrote is true, you instead attempt to confuse the issue. NORAD's
(North American Aerospace Defense Command) mission since 1958 has been a
partnership between Canadians and Americans to protect the airspace of
Alaska, Canada and the contiguous 48 United States. Elliot Lemmon left out
no important detail. It is you who got it wrong.

Another thing that puzzles me is your statements from the March issue:
"Why couldn't ATC find the hijacked flights? When the hijackers turned off
the planes' transponders, which broadcast identifying signals, ATC had to
search 4500 identical radar blips crisscrossing some of the country's
busiest air corridors." What, I wonder, is so difficult in tracing a radar
blip that is missing its transponder information? It should stand out like
a beacon. I would be surprised if the radar screen machine wasn't
programed to flash a hazard signal for each flight that was missing its
transponder signal. After all, it is the "country's busiest air corridor."
A flight without a transponder signal would be a real safety concern.
Certainly, those machines would be able to make it easy to identify a
safety concern. Also, you emphasize 4500 blips, but are we to suppose
that a single radar operator would have that many on his individual
screen?


Another reply can be found here:

http://www.911lies.org/popular_mechanics_911_lying_traitors.html

http://www.wanttoknow.info/020812ap

[blaseblasphemener]

[keane]

This is either extreme ignorance of history or sheer argumentative bull crap. Every instance cited is factually proven. These things aren't even debated anymore.

Tonkin Gulf is a known, verified fact. How can a deliberate choice to characterize panic/overreaction, an incident in which no American was injured and no American vessel took any fire, as a full fledged attack on US forces not be a conspiracy? You need to read up before speaking up.

Iran-contra? Fog of war? So, the pentagon and the White House were under attack while Ollie was running his little game? Are you out of your mind?

North American Union? Fog of war? How? There is a U.S. Government website for it. Let me get this straight: The US, Canada and Mexico are under attack, so they are blindly putting together a plan to integrate/coordinate various governmental functions of the three countries?

Project Northwoods? Again, what attack was on-going when this was dreamed up?

The Kuwaiti Ambassador's daughter being coached to go before Congress and lie her ass off is �fog of war?� Are you kidding?

[keane]

Some things that cannot be dismissed, though I keep seeing "prove it" posted here. If you don't believe what you see in this post DO SOME EFFING RESEARCH, such as, go back to the the other 9/11 threads that already exist and follow the links. What cannot be disputed:

1. Cheney was in personal charge of US military in the areas in question.

2. The above almost certainly slowed operations as generals would have to go through him for approval to act. I have never even seen this mentioned, but I raise the point now. Why? It was the first time in history, that's why. (Where else have we heard that phrase?)

SO... With Cheney personally in charge, with the FAA's phone tree to all relevant agencies intact and activated soon after the first plane struck, how did another two airliners strike?

50... 40.... 30.... 20...

Six minutes. They had six minutes, but the Pentagon couldn't get off a single shot?

Uh-huh. Suuure.

3. The cuts on the beams in a variety of pictures from ground zero that match perfectly with shaped charges. Some of them have melted metal, or something that looks like it (arguing it isn't is ridiculous), on them.

4. There is no explanation that accounts for the heat and melting at the site up to three months later except... thermite.

And that's just getting started.

[Ya-ta Boy]

The reason why I accept the 'official version' (in 8 words):


















IGTG, keane, blaseblasphemener and regicide don't accept it. That's all the proof I need. I double-check my thinking anytime one of them says something I also happen to believe. (But I still miss anda.)

[cbclark4]

I present the Ezekialistas.

IGTG, keane, blaseblasphemener and regicide.

The original Tinfoil Hat Band.

[keane]

I see the children are out. No surprise. With hard info comes straw men and bullshit. You folks ARE consistent.


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