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jinju



Joined: 22 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Lemon wrote:
Juregen wrote:
jinju wrote:
Im talking about the English papers because they should be the ones who atleast try to stand up for the expat community here, but they dont.


You will first have to consider their consumer base. You assume its the expat, but that is not sure.


It also assumes that it is the job of English-language newspapers to be propagandists for the expat population, telling only the happy stories and defending them at every slight. I don't think that's their role.


Balance, baby. Balance. THAT should be their role.
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jinju



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bbreuhaus wrote:
I don't really see any point in responding to all these anonymous comments or in having an extended debate here. What's the point?



Whats the point? Aer we anonymous? Only as far as you not knowing our names. But we arent really anonymous, we are a fairly good representation of the expat community here, as far as the English speakers go anyway. You see no point in engaging your READERS or ptotential readers in a debate? I guess you feel safe as your paper is pretty much safe as 99% of those who read it do it it only as an afterthought to the IHT, so I suppose you feel safe.

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You are all welcome to your opinion. All I can tell you is that we decide our stories independently, and don't hesitate to do stories involving anti-foreigner sentiment.


I havent seen many of those.
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TexasPete



Joined: 24 May 2006
Location: Koreatown

PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 6:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

burnt-toast wrote:
a third of a line about how it was her, a foreigner no less, who informed Interpol about the guy's location, and a third of the entire passage about how police checks here are easy for foreigners to avoid. Once again bravo.


Actually, that's kinda shows how the Korea bears some blame for the fact that criminals can get into this country and teach their children.
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Bramble



Joined: 26 Jan 2007
Location: National treasures need homes

PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Lemon wrote:
Juregen wrote:
jinju wrote:
Im talking about the English papers because they should be the ones who atleast try to stand up for the expat community here, but they dont.


You will first have to consider their consumer base. You assume its the expat, but that is not sure.


It also assumes that it is the job of English-language newspapers to be propagandists for the expat population, telling only the happy stories and defending them at every slight. I don't think that's their role.


Good point. I agree.
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TexasPete



Joined: 24 May 2006
Location: Koreatown

PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 6:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gwangjuboy wrote:
komerican wrote:
for koreans the japanese samurai are just as bad as nazis are for westerners. The samurai slaughtered hundreds of thousands of koreans and there is a buriel site with over a hundred thousand chopped off korean noses in japan.


A slight deviaition from the topic but do you have any reputable links which support this claim? Don't you consider it odd that Koreans were prepared to muck in with the Japanese war effort? 148 Koreans were convicted of war crimes at the end of World War Two.


I know that in my Japan Lonely Planet it mentions some place somewhere in Japan where thousands of noses from korean peasants are buried from the times of the Imjin Wars. Now, whether it was samurai who did it or not, i don't know.
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mack4289



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 7:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For those who find the story so bad, what kind of story would've been better? In terms of being a simple, informative story, it does the job.

Someone should write a story about how the rapid growth of hagwons and the lax background checks at immigration allow just anyone to come teach here. The Korean system bears a lot of responsibility for that.
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lastat06513



Joined: 18 Mar 2003
Location: Sensus amo Caesar , etiamnunc victus amo uni plebian

PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 7:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I already posted a response on one thread and I find it fit to post on this one too.
But I feel the OP in this thread is more vile, greedy, bloodthirsty and disgusting than the guy from Canada (if he is not a troll for this guy as well)

I used to have a popular thread called "Why is it..." that I posted before as a comical piece, but I am going to use it as an irony to the OP

Why is it....

......that as the national editor of one of the most-read newspapers and news sites, you NOW pop your head out of your little hole to write about something bad about the foreign teachers in Korea when many of the foreign teachers are getting shafted and shammed by their Korean employers?

.....with all the racial slurs and assaults that foreigners have to deal with, sometimes on a frequent basis, that you take an assignment that you intend on spinning into more hate-producing rhetoric that will only benefit the xenophobic cretans you work for?

Obviously the OP has no intentions on writing something useful and beneficial to the foreign expat teaching community and only wants to see his name in bold print as it would look exceptionally good on his resume when he leaves Korea.

OP, as a foreigner yourself, you should be well aware of the hate mongering that goes on in the Korean media. Do you think your article will be any different than those anti-foreigner TV spots that are aired periodically on TV?

I feel that the more you try to research this, the deeper the problem will get, and to have your name on it will mean nothing but mud for you in the long run and it will show the expat community that you don't really care about them and only care about yourself.

To me, you seem to be lower than scum....that would be an insult to scum to call you that.....


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seoulsucker



Joined: 05 Mar 2006
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lastat06513 wrote:
To me, you seem to be lower than scum....that would be an insult to scum to call you that.....


Dude, he works in mass media. He made peace with that a long time ago, and your insults probably mean nothing to him. Trust me, I used to be in the biz.
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lastat06513



Joined: 18 Mar 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 7:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seoulsucker~
Thanx for the advice, yet to have a fellow foreigner wanting to get his hands dirty in this and try to use the people on this board to his own advantage shows how spineless and greedy he/she truly is....

Where was he or any of the foreign correspondants for that matter when people were getting assaulted by the staff at Helios a few years back? Why can't he or any other writer do a story about the racism and discrimination people go through in Korea?
Why don't they do a story about the random slurs Koreans say to foreigners and the ill treatment many get when they come to Korea to teach English?

Most people came to Korea of their onw free will with the expectation that they would be treated like human beings, which is sometimes not the case in many jobs....

Trust me, to call this guy an expat is truly an understatement.....to call him a human is also one as well.....



Some people on this board might think bad about me, but I truly like the people here and I think all people are born good, it is the choices they make that are bad.
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The_Eyeball_Kid



Joined: 20 Jun 2007

PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 7:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jaganath69 wrote:
The Lemon wrote:
Juregen wrote:
jinju wrote:
Im talking about the English papers because they should be the ones who atleast try to stand up for the expat community here, but they dont.


You will first have to consider their consumer base. You assume its the expat, but that is not sure.


It also assumes that it is the job of English-language newspapers to be propagandists for the expat population, telling only the happy stories and defending them at every slight. I don't think that's their role.


No but some balance wouldn't go astray. If I read another "Foreigners love kimchi/hangeul/hanboks" story I think I'll puke.


I enjoyed the article on the front page of the KT the other day: "Korean food popular in New York, even though it's spicy!"

It then went on to explain its mystification that such a thing could be so. How can they eat spicy food? It's so strange! They even eat ojingeo bokkeum!

And to Mr Breuhaus: No other paper reported the Seoul Foreigner Church thing because it's a church and nobody fucking cares.
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mack4289



Joined: 06 Dec 2006

PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 8:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

- Here is an article the JA Daily did about UN critcism of Korea's focus on pure blood (The subheading is "Discrimination against foreigners found widespread") http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2879475

- Here is an article the JA Daily did about the discrimination faced by people of mixed blood http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2873135

- Here is an editorial entitled "Dark-skinned people get treated worse" http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2872488

- An article entitled "Expats cite language problems, discrimination" http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2871863

- A front page article about Joe McPherson, the English teacher charged with libel for posting on the net about how he was mistreated by his hagwon http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2876587

As a daily reader of the JA Daily, I've always found it pretty fair. It also covered this case, plus foreigners getting busted for drugs. Fair enough, I've met a lot of foreigners here who I wouldn't want teaching my kids, if I had any.
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Bramble



Joined: 26 Jan 2007
Location: National treasures need homes

PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 8:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The_Eyeball_Kid wrote:
jaganath69 wrote:
The Lemon wrote:
Juregen wrote:
jinju wrote:
Im talking about the English papers because they should be the ones who atleast try to stand up for the expat community here, but they dont.


You will first have to consider their consumer base. You assume its the expat, but that is not sure.


It also assumes that it is the job of English-language newspapers to be propagandists for the expat population, telling only the happy stories and defending them at every slight. I don't think that's their role.


No but some balance wouldn't go astray. If I read another "Foreigners love kimchi/hangeul/hanboks" story I think I'll puke.


I enjoyed the article on the front page of the KT the other day: "Korean food popular in New York, even though it's spicy!"

It then went on to explain its mystification that such a thing could be so. How can they eat spicy food? It's so strange! They even eat ojingeo bokkeum!

And to Mr Breuhaus: No other paper reported the Seoul Foreigner Church thing because it's a church and nobody *beep* cares.


I thought it was an interesting article. I don't care about the church either, but it was a nice little story to read while I was eating my falafel. I wouldn't bother with a newspaper that ran regular features on the life and times of whiny English teachers from Dave's. (I spend enough time here, don�t I?)
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jinju



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 8:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bramble wrote:
I thought it was an interesting article. I don't care about the church either, but it was a nice little story to read while I was eating my falafel.


It was a nice little story..for page 8. But the FRONT PAGE?
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Bramble



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 8:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jinju wrote:
Bramble wrote:
I thought it was an interesting article. I don't care about the church either, but it was a nice little story to read while I was eating my falafel.


It was a nice little story..for page 8. But the FRONT PAGE?


Maybe it was a slow news day? I forgot it made the front page, though.
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pest2



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 8:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mack4289 wrote:
For those who find the story so bad, what kind of story would've been better? In terms of being a simple, informative story, it does the job.

Someone should write a story about how the rapid growth of hagwons and the lax background checks at immigration allow just anyone to come teach here. The Korean system bears a lot of responsibility for that.


Yeah, well thats the problem. All of you who come on and defend the OP on the grounds that the story itself was simple, informative, unbiased, and fair neglect the fact that for it and every other anti-foreigner story like it, there are virtually no anti-discrimination or pro-foreigner stories being written by these jokers. Their agenda serves the intest of their audience. Why dont we see stories about hakwon owners who consistently screw us out of med insurance and pension? Why dont we see stories about discrimination at sporting events? Why dont we see stories about restaurants that refuse service to non-Koreans? ...

Because, Koreans who read the paper to practice their English dont want to read those stories. Nor do advertisers who provide the OPs paycheck.
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