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IncognitoHFX

Joined: 06 May 2007 Location: Yeongtong, Suwon
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Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 1:34 am Post subject: Do we legally require breaks? |
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So I work at a hagwon. A rather good one, but also a small hagwon that could disappear soon if the numbers are low. For that reason the staff seems to try a little too hard to keep the parents happy.
Anyway, I don't work very many hours. I'm contracted for 1:00pm-9:00pm, I usually show up around 1:00pm, prep for an hour and a half, teach from 2:30-8:00/8:30pm and then go home.
Lately, though, there has been a bit of a problem. I really need to prep, I usually have so much to do that I generally spend from 12:30pm - 2:30pm doing exactly that. If my prep goes ahead of schedule, I goof off, but that only happens infrequently.
But lately, my director has been plopping students in front of me the second 1:00pm rolls around. "Can you teach so and so for an hour?" "Can you go over this with so-and-so?" Fine. I usually just put homework in front of the kid and continue with my preparation. Especially if its a kid who I don't actually have on a regular basis.
Today I was very irritated, because I came in at 1:00pm, we had a meeting right away, then rushed my prep until 2:30, and taught from 2:30-6:15. I went six hours without eating which isn't a big deal, but I find if I don't eat for more than seven hours of being awake I start to get shaky, headaches, et cetera. At 6:15 I'm supposed to have a class off until 7:05, during which time I usually eat something and prep for my next two Middle School / High School classes (which require the most prep).
Anyway, lately they've been plopping kids in front of me during those periods too... and sometimes kids that aren't even regular students (other classes). Today this happened, and I had the two loudest, pre-K kids in the school. I actually lost it once and yelled, then felt very bad afterwards.
Its just that I'm working 8 hours straight without a break some days, and I can't do that. I need to eat. I'm also a smoker, so a cigarette would be nice. Is there a legal loop hole here? What am I to do?
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ttompatz

Joined: 05 Sep 2005 Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 1:44 am Post subject: |
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You mean like this clause from the Korean Labor Standards Act:
Article 53 (Recess Hours)
(1) An employer shall allow a recess period of more than
30 minutes for every 4 working hours and more than 1 hour
for every 8 working hours during the working hours.
(2) A recess period may be freely used by workers.
Note that is 4/8 working hours and NOT 4/8 hours worked. |
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IncognitoHFX

Joined: 06 May 2007 Location: Yeongtong, Suwon
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Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 2:19 am Post subject: |
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ttompatz wrote: |
Note that is 4/8 working hours and NOT 4/8 hours worked. |
Oh, weird. Okay, I figured if I were to bring this up to them they would say that my preparation time is my break, or the fact that I can leave before 9:00pm if I so choose (some days we leave 8:30-8:45 depending on how much work we have done/have to do). We don't start teaching until 2:30, but we're on the clock from 1:00pm. I suppose I could leave between 1:00pm and 2:30pm and take my break then, but A) I don't need a break then and B) I'd miss out on my prep. The doors don't open until 12:30pm so I can't prep before that.
Another thing is, even though no one has told me this, I get the *feeling* that I can't leave the hagwon during breaks. I often do, such as go outside for a smoke/food, but according to my coworker the staff really bites their tongue when I do this because they sometimes have students come in who need extra tutoring and they get mad when I disappear for even 10 minutes.
Most days I don't leave the hagwon because I'm afraid of getting in trouble and when I do, I sometimes hear them talking in Korean and I assume it's with a negative connotation. It's just that I can't spend 8+ hours in the same building, and I don't think it's fair because they (the staff) leave multiple times during the day for extended periods.
Anyway, I realize my hagwon must sound terrible by now. It really isn't terrible, for a first year hagwon its pretty decent. Most days are fine in this respect, and I have friends who work nearly double the hours that I do for the same pay.
I shouldn't complain, its just that I really have a hard time going without food/break for so long. Right now I'm inbetween classes with not enough time to leave the hagwon, and my legs are shaking because I'm so hungry. I'm just not the kind of person that can manage eating one or two meals a day, I need four or five. Probably because I'm a 23 year old male with the metabolism of a hummingbird.
I've actually resorted to eating candy I bought for the children, which is giving me a small headache. |
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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 2:34 am Post subject: Re: Do we legally require breaks? |
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IncognitoHFX wrote: |
Anyway, I don't work very many hours. I'm contracted for 1:00pm-9:00pm, I usually show up around 1:00pm, prep for an hour and a half, teach from 2:30-8:00/8:30pm and then go home.
Lately, though, there has been a bit of a problem. I really need to prep, I usually have so much to do that I generally spend from 12:30pm - 2:30pm doing exactly that. If my prep goes ahead of schedule, I goof off, but that only happens infrequently.
But lately, my director has been plopping students in front of me the second 1:00pm rolls around. "Can you teach so and so for an hour?" "Can you go over this with so-and-so?" Fine. I usually just put homework in front of the kid and continue with my preparation. Especially if its a kid who I don't actually have on a regular basis. |
How many classes or teaching hours are you contracted for? Do you get overtime for these impromptu classes? |
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IncognitoHFX

Joined: 06 May 2007 Location: Yeongtong, Suwon
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Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 3:07 am Post subject: Re: Do we legally require breaks? |
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huffdaddy wrote: |
How many classes or teaching hours are you contracted for? Do you get overtime for these impromptu classes? |
I'm contracted for 1:00pm to 9:00pm, so eight hours. Theoretically (if we had enough students) I could work from 1:00pm-9:00pm straight. But we don't have many students, and no pre-school kids, so we have no classes until 2:30 (generally, some times a kid comes in at 1:00pm for tutoring).
No, there is no overtime for the impromptu classes as they fall within the hours (we never work before 1:00pm or after 9:00pm). |
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jellobean
Joined: 14 Mar 2006
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Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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You got a bad contract. Unless you are making in excess of 2.5 per month there is no way you should have more than 30 teaching hours per week. These days, 30 is the standard and 25 is not uncommon. I'd say stand up about that or get a new job. |
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ED209
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
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Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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Just order a pizza and sit in class eating eat as the kids do a word search.
What was your manager's response to your complaint? |
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Fresh Prince

Joined: 05 Dec 2006 Location: The glorious nation of Korea
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Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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So I work at a hagwon. A rather good one, but also a small hagwon that could disappear soon if the numbers are low. For that reason the staff seems to try a little too hard to keep the parents happy...
Its just that I'm working 8 hours straight without a break some days, and I can't do that. I need to eat. I'm also a smoker, so a cigarette would be nice. Is there a legal loop hole here? What am I to do? |
From your desciption, it sounds like the hokwon is doing a very poor job of managing their business and might be in trouble financially. It's likely that any complaints about breaks or hours are going to fall on deaf years if the business is close to collapse, hopefully that isn't the case though. Are you getting paid on time? Are they allowing the students to misbehave as they please because they are afraid of losing the money? Are the other teachers getting paid on time? Those are all signs of problems to come. |
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IncognitoHFX

Joined: 06 May 2007 Location: Yeongtong, Suwon
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Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 8:24 pm Post subject: |
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Fresh Prince wrote: |
Are you getting paid on time? Are they allowing the students to misbehave as they please because they are afraid of losing the money? Are the other teachers getting paid on time? Those are all signs of problems to come. |
Yes, we always get paid on time. Our boss is very good and also sympathetic. I think we lucked out in that department. He has financial backing regardless if the hagwon survives or not, and he is a downright good person, so he wouldn't let us go unpaid. Even if the salaries came out of his own pocket (if the hagwon shuts down we get two months of pay and we know he is good to his word about this).
Yes, I think they are really catering to the parents as the kids really misbehave. Outside of the classroom there is little disciplinary support/acknowledgement. My kids have been better lately because the other teacher and I have recently implemented a thorough discipline system in the classroom. However, part of the discipline system involves calling the parents of exceedingly bad kids. I haven't followed through on actually taking a kids name to the staff yet, but I'm afraid that if I do, the phone call won't be made and the kids will begin see the holes in the system and go back to behaving terribly again (see my posts on misbehaviour).
jellobean wrote: |
You got a bad contract. Unless you are making in excess of 2.5 per month there is no way you should have more than 30 teaching hours per week. These days, 30 is the standard and 25 is not uncommon. I'd say stand up about that or get a new job. |
We don't have more than 30 teaching hours, however we are technically required to be at the hagwon for 40 hours a week. This never happens as we rarely stay until 9:00pm and can come is as late as 2:00pm without recieving complaints. I'd say on an average week, we teach 30 hours and do 10 hours of prep work, which is unnecessary but happens because we both want to teach well.
My real problem is the fact that there are no breaks in the middle of the day. The breaks are either at the beginning (before class starts) or the end. I teach seven 40 minute classes a day, and on Tuesday and Thursdays I'm supposed to have a break between the 5th and the 6th class, but lately they've been denying this break and putting kids in my class instead.
Also, occasionally they will give us kids before 2:30 (before normal classes start) and the other teacher has had a class that went from 8:05-8:55pm for a couple of months, but thankfully the student quit and now he has nothing then.
When I first came here, our latest classes ended at 7:00pm. Sometimes I could leave at 7:00pm on the dot. However, when intensive month came along, classes went until 8:00pm and after intensive month ended, the intensive schedule remained and since then we've been working intensive hours.
The paperwork has also been increasing quite a bit (in the form of vocab tests and daily student statistics), as well as report cards, so all of these things have required me to spend more time at the school after classes are over. |
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Atavistic
Joined: 22 May 2006 Location: How totally stupid that Korean doesn't show in this area.
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Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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Your posts lately raise BIG FLAGS IN MY MIND. Your hours should be clear. Your overtime should be clear. If you can come in as late as 2 without them complaining, then you'd better start doing so, because they're taking advantage of you.
My last hogwon, I was told everyone got paid on time. Then funky crap started happening and nobody got paid and I got evicted and screwed out of more than 2 million won. Yeah, yeah, she was "kind" too. Same thing, "Oh we're only doing these classes for this month" and then they were suddenly there the next month, too. Or "Oh can you please teach this child..." out of the blue.
You need to clear things up NOW and keep your eyes and ears OPEN.
The hogwon I was at had been in business for years, had a solid base, teachers that worked there all said it was great, had a good rep in the area...in the end, none of it mattered. |
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