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Lockness



Joined: 03 Sep 2007

PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 8:38 pm    Post subject: I hate me kids Reply with quote

My kids made my co-teacher cry today, and another class was so bad I had to yell "shut up". Is autum making them super evil or have I just had enough of it?.
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seoulsucker



Joined: 05 Mar 2006
Location: The Land of the Hesitant Cutoff

PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, the alternative could have you on the run from Interpol in SE Asia.
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Mosley



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 8:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very Happy Ha!

OP: What age? Public or hakwan?
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Lockness



Joined: 03 Sep 2007

PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 8:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SNAP
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IncognitoHFX



Joined: 06 May 2007
Location: Yeongtong, Suwon

PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

seoulsucker wrote:
Well, the alternative could have you on the run from Interpol in SE Asia.



*Que sitcom "OOOOOOOOHhhhhhhhhhhhhhh"*

Seriously though. Wait a couple of weeks before the one liners.

That's like when Bill Maher dressed up as a dead Steve Irwin days after he died.


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rockstarsmooth



Joined: 01 Aug 2006
Location: anyang, baybee!

PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 8:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

IncognitoHFX wrote:
seoulsucker wrote:
Well, the alternative could have you on the run from Interpol in SE Asia.



*Que sitcom "OOOOOOOOHhhhhhhhhhhhhhh"*

Seriously though. Wait a couple of weeks before the one liners.

That's like when Bill Maher dressing up as a dead Steve Irwin days after he died.


you obviously didn't see the thread last night "looking for pedophile (ltr, fb, fwb)".
it's never too soon for one liners and tasteless jokes.
the sooner the better, in fact!
rss Cool



Arrow right now i'm listening to: clap your hands say yeah - yellow country teeth


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Bibbitybop



Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 8:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Humanity finds comfort through laughter, even inappropriate laughter. Keep the one liners coming!




On topic: I like to reward my kids with games with prizes at the end of classes. If they are bad, there are no games and no prizes. When I ask them if they want to study or play a game, they always say "Game!" Then I tell them we won't play until everyone listens. The other kids turn on the bad kids and that's the best punishment there is: Being an outcast.

Now if the whole class doesn't care, maybe some form of physical punishment is in order, like standing with arms out to the side or doing OTL for 15 during the break, during class or during lunch. Get a mean male teacher to help out with this if they won't listen to you or the regular coteacher.
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Dome Vans
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 9:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I teach at four schools, two elementary and two middle. Only one of my classes, I would class as out of control. That's 6th grade elementary out in the countryside. Today I gave them all new seats by doing a lottery. Then I took a picture of each row with my digital camera. I'll print out and laminate and stick on the wall so everytime I teach I'll be able to check they're in the right seats. They'll try and move next week but I have a record now of where they sit and having a list with their names in their new seats is no good to me.

I actually managed to control them today, I only had to do a deafening finger whistle twice to shut them up. They played a game so they could get used to their new partners. I decided that these are just some of the challenges you face as a teacher and I love challenges. This was my first step. Before there was too many making noise and messing around to punish so this will lessen the numbers and make it easier to discipline, if needed!!!

I posted about walking into the classroom last week and there was a boy pushing a girl over and then kicking her while she was on the floor. When I told my co-teacher she laughed. This happens. The mentality puzzled me, they may allow that to happen, BUT not in my class, I'll punish as I see fit if this kind of behaviour happens again, I can't let that go.

If I see this working and the students are quieter and better behaved then I'll do a star chart and at christmas the best three will get small presents. I'm going to see if this method works, it might not, but I'd rather be pro-active and do something positive and try things out. I'm not going to allow myself to be bossed around the kids, I'm going to teach my lessons, and they are interesting, inclusive lessons and they'll learn from them.

All my other classes are really good, so am I wrong to go to all this effort to implement this just for the one class? Should I do it for all?
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butlerian



Joined: 04 Sep 2006
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 10:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dome Vans wrote:
All my other classes are really good, so am I wrong to go to all this effort to implement this just for the one class? Should I do it for all?


As you know, what works in one class may not work in another. If this is your only class that behaves in this manner, I guess they need a unique approach. What you did worked today - let's hope it continues. It's bound to take some time as it means you have to change the whole mentality, and it sounds as though the Korean teachers won't be pushing in your direction.
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kentucker4



Joined: 03 Sep 2007
Location: Georgia

PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 10:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have NO contorl over one of my classes. They are first graders. They do whatever the hell they want as much as I try. It's they don't understand a single thing that you say and you have about 10 class clowns in a class of 16. They run around screaming the entire class lay on the floor..steal my books....scream and scream open the door and try to run out and yelling Korean Korean..no English. I even tried sing along songs today. Nothing works with them. I feel your pain.
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IncognitoHFX



Joined: 06 May 2007
Location: Yeongtong, Suwon

PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 10:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kentucker4 wrote:
I have NO contorl over one of my classes. They are first graders. They do whatever the hell they want as much as I try. It's they don't understand a single thing that you say and you have about 10 class clowns in a class of 16. They run around screaming the entire class lay on the floor..steal my books....scream and scream open the door and try to run out and yelling Korean Korean..no English. I even tried sing along songs today. Nothing works with them. I feel your pain.


Welcome to my world. Just when I thought I had them under control, they revert right back to being little terrors again.
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KYC



Joined: 11 May 2006

PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 10:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't say I hate my kids..but some of them really knows how to push my buttons! I absolutely dread it when the Korean teachers dont stay with me! I have no control over them. I've tried punishment (kneeling, holding chairs, etc) I've had kids telling me to shut up, kids cursing at me in English. I ended up just kicking said student out but it really upsets me and ruins the entire lesson. I dread going into the classroom sometimes. I am against physical punishment but sometimes the kids...make me just wanna give them a good whack on the head. *sighs*
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mindmetoo



Joined: 02 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 10:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kentucker4 wrote:
I have NO contorl over one of my classes. They are first graders. They do whatever the hell they want as much as I try. It's they don't understand a single thing that you say and you have about 10 class clowns in a class of 16. They run around screaming the entire class lay on the floor..steal my books....scream and scream open the door and try to run out and yelling Korean Korean..no English. I even tried sing along songs today. Nothing works with them. I feel your pain.


Way back when I was applying for jobs, one school said they fired their last teacher for reading a newspaper in class. He didn't teach. He just read a newspaper all class. I thought "god! how unprofessional!"

Now I understand there are two sides to every story. While possible he was just being a lazy ass, he might well have been an honest, well meaning teacher, couldn't control a class of 20 8 year olds being expected to perform above their level, and he was getting no training or disciplinary support from his school. Why the kids might complain to their parents and then they lose business! So he made the only logical choice possible. If no one cares, why should he? They're just paying him to be a white face.
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IncognitoHFX



Joined: 06 May 2007
Location: Yeongtong, Suwon

PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 10:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

KYC wrote:
I wouldn't say I hate my kids..but some of them really knows how to push my buttons! I absolutely dread it when the Korean teachers dont stay with me! I have no control over them. I've tried punishment (kneeling, holding chairs, etc) I've had kids telling me to shut up, kids cursing at me in English. I ended up just kicking said student out but it really upsets me and ruins the entire lesson. I dread going into the classroom sometimes. I am against physical punishment but sometimes the kids...make me just wanna give them a good whack on the head. *sighs*


I hear you. I'm at school now and have a break, thank god. My classes this morning were terrible. I screamed at them a couple of times to no effect; why, I remember when I was a kid, if a teacher screamed at me like I just screamed at them I would shake for half an hour, feel bad about it all day and I would apologize. Just like most kids in my elementary school.

These kids... screaming does absolutely nothing. I really don't like screaming either, but all other forms of punishment--including threatening to call their parents, making them stand up, et cetera.. do nothing. Or, they only work in the short term (five minutes) and the kids are right back to being bad again.

I try to kick kids out of class but they don't leave, and I figure one of my co-workers will escort the kid back to class thirty seconds later anyway. Why bother, eh?

My mum used to be a teacher back in the day. She had all tonnes of horror stories, but when I came here, we were both under the assumption that Korean kids would be a lot more disciplined than Western kids (better behaved). What, with Western kids and video games, caffeine, et cetera. When I first told my mum how bad some of my kids were, she just criticized my methods, saying things like "you're not intimidating enough, you're not being strict enough, you don't have a clear set of rules", et cetera.

Now that I've made advancements in all of those things, and recorded the advancements, she's regressed to just telling me that my kids are awful, and far worse than what she had when she was a teacher. She's of the opinion that there is nothing I (we) can do, that it is part of a process which begins at home. There needs to be a discipline hierarchy both in the school system and in the home. Sadly, we seem to be the only ones trying to enforce any kind of discipline. This opinion is coming from a professional, of course.

I wonder what ever happened to the infamously strict Korean public schools?

My Middle School/High School kids are awesome, but my elementary kids aren't. Don't they punish elementary kids in public school here?
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indytrucks



Joined: 09 Apr 2003
Location: The Shelf

PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 10:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

IncognitoHFX wrote:
Don't they punish elementary kids in public school here?


Usually with a stick across the back of the calves. Or made to hold their hands in the air whilst squatting. Or a number of other torture-esque techniques.

Most kids see hagwan as a chance to escape from the corporal punishment hell that is their daily school life. Take that into consideration next time you're screaming at them to sit down or be quiet, which, by the way, is a massive loss of face for you, in their eyes.
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