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CeleryMan



Joined: 12 Apr 2007
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 10:17 pm    Post subject: Have you successfully sued someone? Reply with quote

Folks,

I was swindled by a local travel agency last month and have tried several times to get a refund.

I filed a formal complaint with the Korean Consumer Agency and they indicated there is more than enough merit and proof to warrant a full refund.... but they have no enforcement powers.

I guess my last option is to retain a lawyer? Would love to hear any feedback, personal experience or guidance on this matter. Amount in question is under 2,000,000 KRW.

Thanks in advance,
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GoldMember



Joined: 24 Oct 2006

PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 11:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Define "Swindled"?
Forget about trying to collect money in Korea, you'll grow old before you see any money. For more info see Brendon Carr's law blog.
If the "swindle" was fraud, try the police, you won't get your money, but you might put the person behind bars.
Take a Korean preferbly an older male to do the talking for you.
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SuperFly



Joined: 09 Jul 2003
Location: In the doghouse

PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 1:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The agency in question isn't that one in Itaewon that has swindled hundreds, maybe thousands of unsuspecting foreigners is it? Run by a Nigerian group? Those guys have been doing that for years I believe. There are a couple of threads about them.

I took SBS (Park Chul) to court in 1998 but settled out. Not a big payoff, but it was totally worth it.
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skindleshanks



Joined: 10 May 2004

PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 3:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My wife (and 17 other people) were swindled out of 10 million won each back in 2003. (Each person had been promised a franchise in a chain of about a hundred English schools nationwide. The chain was acquired by the CES chain, but apparently the debt/contract wasn't.) The man responsible spent a few months in jail, repaid about a million won each, and was released on a promise to repay (at least that's my understanding). At the time it caused us considerable financial difficulty--we were pregnant and had borrowed the initial "investment." We found that he had transferred all his assets to his grandmother, and they were untouchable. He never stopped running one of his successful businesses, and last I heard was still living the "good life" in Seoul.

We got a call from one of the offended parties, saying that it wasn't likely we'd ever see the money--lawyers or no lawyers--but offered that we could turn the debt over to a "collection agency (ie, gangsters), to get part of it back. I don't think I'd be able to sleep well at night after sicking thugs on someone.

I know a lot of you would laugh at this, but we finally decided to turn the debt over to God, and if he ever does repay the money, we will not keep it for ourselves. The matter is between him and God now, which, frankly I consider to be a much more terrifying prospect. We have been very blessed in the years since, and now have two beautiful kids and a new apartment that is nearly paid off, so I am thankful that we haven't had to waste sleep over this--it certainly has all worked out for our good.

However, I will never work for or go into business with any local businesses while we live here--I feel there is simply too great a risk and there is not much legal backup if one is cheated. If a person sees a lawsuit coming, all they have to do is transfer their assets to a spouse or family member, and it is untouchable.
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spliff



Joined: 19 Jan 2004
Location: Khon Kaen, Thailand

PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 3:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
I don't think I'd be able to sleep well at night after sicking thugs on someone.


Really, I'd sleep better.... Very Happy
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dogbert



Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: Killbox 90210

PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 4:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SuperFly wrote:
The agency in question isn't that one in Itaewon that has swindled hundreds, maybe thousands of unsuspecting foreigners is it? Run by a Nigerian group? Those guys have been doing that for years I believe. There are a couple of threads about them.

I took SBS (Park Chul) to court in 1998 but settled out. Not a big payoff, but it was totally worth it.


Is that Park Chul the same joker as this guy?

http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/10/18/well-i-knew-this-would-turn-into-a-dick-thing/

If so, you may want to tell your story over there.
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mrsquirrel



Joined: 13 Dec 2006

PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I know a lot of you would laugh at this, but we finally decided to turn the debt over to God, and if he ever does repay the money, we will not keep it for ourselves. The matter is between him and God now, which, frankly I consider to be a much more terrifying prospect. We have been very blessed in the years since, and now have two beautiful kids and a new apartment that is nearly paid off, so I am thankful that we haven't had to waste sleep over this--it certainly has all worked out for our good.

Have you commented on the forgiveness thread?
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CeleryMan



Joined: 12 Apr 2007
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 4:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The travel agency is Alps Tour Travel Agency located in Namdaemun area. Ironically, I found this agency through Dave's.

I've filed a formal complaint with Korean Consumer Agency as well as a small claims court in Suwon, where I reside.

I paid for a roundtrip e-ticket only to find out the agency never booked it with the Carrier. My travel plans were foiled and I never got a refund.

As a Korean (American) it's painful being ripped swindled by your own kind; it's a disgusting feeling.

In any case, I'm determined to get my money back ... trust me!
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bassexpander



Joined: 13 Sep 2007
Location: Someplace you'd rather be.

PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

skindleshanks wrote:


I know a lot of you would laugh at this, but we finally decided to turn the debt over to God, and if he ever does repay the money, we will not keep it for ourselves. The matter is between him and God now, which, frankly I consider to be a much more terrifying prospect.


Too bad there aren't many good Italian Catholic thugs in Korea.
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Scotticus



Joined: 18 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 5:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

skindleshanks wrote:

...but we finally decided to turn the debt over to God...


Wow. I can't imagine the paperwork involved in something like that.
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spliff



Joined: 19 Jan 2004
Location: Khon Kaen, Thailand

PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 5:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CeleryMan wrote:
The travel agency is Alps Tour Travel Agency located in Namdaemun area. Ironically, I found this agency through Dave's.

I've filed a formal complaint with Korean Consumer Agency as well as a small claims court in Suwon, where I reside.

I paid for a roundtrip e-ticket only to find out the agency never booked it with the Carrier. My travel plans were foiled and I never got a refund.

As a Korean (American) it's painful being ripped swindled by your own kind; it's a disgusting feeling.

In any case, I'm determined to get my money back ... trust me!


You might want to post a warning about them in the travel agency thread in the travel forum stickies.
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SuperFly



Joined: 09 Jul 2003
Location: In the doghouse

PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dogbert wrote:
SuperFly wrote:
The agency in question isn't that one in Itaewon that has swindled hundreds, maybe thousands of unsuspecting foreigners is it? Run by a Nigerian group? Those guys have been doing that for years I believe. There are a couple of threads about them.

I took SBS (Park Chul) to court in 1998 but settled out. Not a big payoff, but it was totally worth it.


Is that Park Chul the same joker as this guy?

http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/10/18/well-i-knew-this-would-turn-into-a-*beep*-thing/

If so, you may want to tell your story over there.



Did that Park Chul have a TV show in the late 90's that was called "Lets make fun of other peoples culture" on SBS? If so, it's the same guy.

http://search.naver.com/search.naver?where=nexearch&query=%B9%DA%C3%B6&frm=t1&sm=top_hty&x=37&y=10

There you go.
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dogbert



Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: Killbox 90210

PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SuperFly wrote:
dogbert wrote:
SuperFly wrote:
The agency in question isn't that one in Itaewon that has swindled hundreds, maybe thousands of unsuspecting foreigners is it? Run by a Nigerian group? Those guys have been doing that for years I believe. There are a couple of threads about them.

I took SBS (Park Chul) to court in 1998 but settled out. Not a big payoff, but it was totally worth it.


Is that Park Chul the same joker as this guy?

http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/10/18/well-i-knew-this-would-turn-into-a-*beep*-thing/

If so, you may want to tell your story over there.



Did that Park Chul have a TV show in the late 90's that was called "Lets make fun of other peoples culture" on SBS? If so, it's the same guy.

http://search.naver.com/search.naver?where=nexearch&query=%B9%DA%C3%B6&frm=t1&sm=top_hty&x=37&y=10

There you go.


That's the fool.

Well, if you follow the link I posted, it would appear as though he is on the receiving end of some karmic retribution.
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tzechuk



Joined: 20 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 10:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

THe link doesn't work, dogbert.
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The_Eyeball_Kid



Joined: 20 Jun 2007

PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 10:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

skindleshanks wrote:
My wife (and 17 other people) were swindled out of 10 million won each back in 2003. (Each person had been promised a franchise in a chain of about a hundred English schools nationwide. The chain was acquired by the CES chain, but apparently the debt/contract wasn't.) The man responsible spent a few months in jail, repaid about a million won each, and was released on a promise to repay (at least that's my understanding). At the time it caused us considerable financial difficulty--we were pregnant and had borrowed the initial "investment." We found that he had transferred all his assets to his grandmother, and they were untouchable. He never stopped running one of his successful businesses, and last I heard was still living the "good life" in Seoul.

We got a call from one of the offended parties, saying that it wasn't likely we'd ever see the money--lawyers or no lawyers--but offered that we could turn the debt over to a "collection agency (ie, gangsters), to get part of it back. I don't think I'd be able to sleep well at night after sicking thugs on someone.

I know a lot of you would laugh at this, but we finally decided to turn the debt over to God, and if he ever does repay the money, we will not keep it for ourselves. The matter is between him and God now, which, frankly I consider to be a much more terrifying prospect. We have been very blessed in the years since, and now have two beautiful kids and a new apartment that is nearly paid off, so I am thankful that we haven't had to waste sleep over this--it certainly has all worked out for our good.

However, I will never work for or go into business with any local businesses while we live here--I feel there is simply too great a risk and there is not much legal backup if one is cheated. If a person sees a lawsuit coming, all they have to do is transfer their assets to a spouse or family member, and it is untouchable.


To GOD?!

*I* would have bought that debt from you for much better rates. Next time some wiseacre works a murphy on you, don't call God, call me.

Or maybe this guy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NY3K5pL4HuQ
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