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For those who criticise the Christians and Muslims
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Who has read the Bible and Koran completely more than once
I have read the Bible and Koran more than once
52%
 52%  [ 12 ]
I have read the Bible and Koran once
17%
 17%  [ 4 ]
I have read sentences from the Bible and Koran and used them
26%
 26%  [ 6 ]
I have been told that these sentences exist in the Bible and Koran
4%
 4%  [ 1 ]
Total Votes : 23

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Summer Wine



Joined: 20 Mar 2005
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 2:42 am    Post subject: For those who criticise the Christians and Muslims Reply with quote

For those on this forum who criticise the Christians and Muslims, who has actually read the Bible or the Quaran (Koran) from beginning to end?
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CentralCali



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 2:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm Christian (LDS specifically). I have read the KJV Protestant version of the Bible completely more than once, the KJV Apocrypha only once, have read the Qur'an completely more than once, Science and Health with Key to the Scriptures just once, the Book of Mormon a number of times, the Doctrine and Covenants of my denomination a few times, the Doctrine and Covenants of the Community of Christ (they used to be called the RLDS) twice, some of the Analects of Confucius, some Buddhist scriptures, and some Taoist scriptures.

As you can tell, I like the genre. I hope you don't mind me answering your poll since I don't think I've criticized the Christians and Muslims here.


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JMO



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 2:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ive read alot of the new testament so I guess only christians are fair game.

Saying that Ive yet to read Mein Kampf so I should probably stop giving Hitler a hard time. After all it is completely ridiculous to critiscise an organisation/person's actions without first perusing their literature. Axtually I better go read Mao's little red book cos last week I called him a monster and I guess I didn't really have the proper insight to make that statement, just looking at what he did and all.
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Alyallen



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 3:09 am    Post subject: Re: For those who criticise the Christians and Muslims Reply with quote

Summer Wine wrote:
For those on this forum who criticise the Christians and Muslims, who has actually read the Bible or the Quaran (Koran) from beginning to end?


What difference does that make?

That's like saying you can't criticize President Bush's foreign policy because you don't have a background in foreign policy.

Opinions are like arseholes, everyone's got one.

The End.

P.S. I'm American. I'm cutting off any potential nationalistic drones off at the pass....


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Summer Wine



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 3:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Saying that Ive yet to read Mein Kampf so I should probably stop giving Hitler a hard time. After all it is completely ridiculous to critiscise an organisation/person's actions without first perusing their literature.


I have read Mein Kampf, it really just put into words how much I disagreed with his ideas.

I am not saying its ridiculous to disagree with an idea or issue. I am saying that its interesting how some issues are fought over and disagreed with by educated people who are basing their arguments on hearsay.

Though have you or have you not read either book completely. You didn't say in your original post or did I misread it.
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JMO



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 3:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Summer Wine wrote:
Quote:
Saying that Ive yet to read Mein Kampf so I should probably stop giving Hitler a hard time. After all it is completely ridiculous to critiscise an organisation/person's actions without first perusing their literature.


I have read Mein Kampf, it really just put into words how much I disagreed with his ideas.

I am not saying its ridiculous to disagree with an idea. I am saying that its interesting how some issues are fought over and disagreed with by educated people who are basing their arguments on hearsay.

Though have you or have you not read either book completely. You didn't say in your original post or did I misread it.



Well I went to church every week for most of my life and 3 times a week when I was an altar boy. That was mainly new testament..gospels. Maybe some ofthe readings were OT, im not sure.

Ive read very small parts of the old testament. In fact my dad a hardcore catholic said the only thing worth reading in the OT is the ten commandments. We didn't even have it in the house i think..maybe a childrens version.

Maybe if people are arguing about stuff in the bible, they should have read it or the relevant part. But if you are arguing about, for example, the existence of God, then you wouldn't have to read it.
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mithridates



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 3:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JMO wrote:
Ive read alot of the new testament so I guess only christians are fair game.

Saying that Ive yet to read Mein Kampf so I should probably stop giving Hitler a hard time. After all it is completely ridiculous to critiscise an organisation/person's actions without first perusing their literature.


That analogy doesn't work of course because Hitler was the author of the book whereas Christians haven't each written the Bible.
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JMO



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 3:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mithridates wrote:
JMO wrote:
Ive read alot of the new testament so I guess only christians are fair game.

Saying that Ive yet to read Mein Kampf so I should probably stop giving Hitler a hard time. After all it is completely ridiculous to critiscise an organisation/person's actions without first perusing their literature.


That analogy doesn't work of course because Hitler was the author of the book whereas Christians haven't each written the Bible.


Yea thats true, but you get my gist. Its not essential to read the literature to critiscise/disagree with the action or idea.
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whatever



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 3:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mithridates wrote:
That analogy doesn't work of course because Hitler was the author of the book whereas Christians haven't each written the Bible.


True, yet the reinterpret it on a daily basis.
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Rteacher



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 4:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

One who has any spiritual sense at all should not unnecessarily criticise any major religious tradition per se.

However, those who flagrantly misinterpret, use, and abuse religions for material gain should be targeted for criticism (or criminal prosecution if warranted...)
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mindmetoo



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 4:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What about those of us who criticize only Christians and have read the bible more than once? I tend to mock what I really know about.
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ED209



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 4:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did you read the Greek myths before you dismissed them as nonsense? Have you read every book by Dawkins, Betrand Russell, Christopher Hitchens....
Anyway I've read every book, there's no God, Jesus had a baby,Ron marries Voldermore, get over it.
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twg



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 5:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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mithridates



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 5:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

whatever wrote:
mithridates wrote:
That analogy doesn't work of course because Hitler was the author of the book whereas Christians haven't each written the Bible.


True, yet the reinterpret it on a daily basis.


Yep, which is why it's helpful to know which ones are full of shit / making it up as they go along and which aren't.
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pastis



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 6:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've read it (the bible). Parts are interesting (from an anthropological point of view), parts are nauseatingly stupid, most of it is intuitively absurd, and on the whole it confirmed to me that you'd have to be willfully ignorant and delusional to actually take it seriously. For me it's about on the same level as reading Greek mythology, except a lot more sinister since people actually subscribe to it in the modern era (that, and I think Greek mythology is infinitely cooler than Jewish mythology anyway)...
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