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safeblad
Joined: 17 Jul 2006
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| Maybe I was the only one doing this but I noticed that whenever I saw a western male at a crosswalk, I would categorize them as "friendly" or "perverted". |
yeah I wont be surprised about any witch hunt.
I have my own private McCarthyism regarding esl teachers and paedophilia going on in the depths of my mind.
At a low level I am suspicious about a multitude of people so it would be no surprise if koreans are too. You can only blame them for the crap system they set up to begin with. |
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sojourner1
Joined: 17 Apr 2007
Location: Where meggi swim and 2 wheeled tractors go sput put chug alugg pug pug
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I noticed my students in the past couple days questioned my age and marital status.
I then went to dinner with 2 Korean men last night and they too questioned my age, marital status, what I thought of women in general, what I thought of Korean women, and what I thought of Korea altogether. While I know it is customary to ask age, marital status, professional, and even income, I find it ridiculous. I say, just hang out with a person, talk with them, and let things progress in a natural manner rather than prying a stranger for personal information. I don't have anything to hide, but I find all this getting interviewed stuff a bit annoying to say the least. The interview or drilling of the usual questions, sometimes in front of a camera, is all too common, but just an unnatural way of meeting people.
They emphasized on questioning why a single man would go to Korea and still be single. I was straight up about it that I do like women, but I am not crazy were I screw around with anything in that she has to be right for me or I go without for as long as necessary.
I can see how they find it strange that a white male that they think is nice looking would not be in cahoots and the fact he does not adhere to buying into the packaged lifestyle of having a wife, kids, and a home which is what I don't want. (yet) I don't find it strange though, I find it being smart in living my life to my gut instincts with no intentions of pleasing others outside of doing my work as well as I can. |
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shaunew
Joined: 17 Apr 2007
Location: Calgary
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| I'm safe I hope I have the wife, kid and house. But today when I was out with my son for a walk. Koreans stared at me even more then normal. Before it was "look a foreigner with a baby". Now I feel it's look that perverted foreigner has a little boy with him". |
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Typhoon
Joined: 29 May 2007
Location: Daejeon
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| Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 1:19 am Post subject: |
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| This is not a new problem in the education industry. Men who work in primary education have been looked at in a wierd way for a long time. A lot of people can't understand why men would want to work with young kids. This doesn't make it right, but it is nothing new and it is not only in Korea. You can't go into a primary classroom teacher as a volunteer or teacher in Ontario without having a police check done. It makes sense for all schools especially primary schools to check the backgrounds of people working with their students. If they aren't doing this in Korea it is a major oversight and they should start requiring these checks ASAP for all people who will working with children, foreigners and Koreans. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 1:20 am Post subject: Re: Male & Single - prepare for the witchhunt!! |
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| I have already been interrogated by my employers as to why I prefer to teach in elementary schools |
Interrupt with, "Well, why do you teach in an elementary school?"
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| - and why I have NOT married yet........ |
"Didn't you tell me you have a single sister/single daughter?"
Seriously, though, a better answer may be to remind them of Article 36 of the Constitution, where you are guaranteed dignity in regards to your family life.
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| All the public schools that I deal with - are already preparing to have all Public school teachers submit a police-report (check) from their foreign teachers... |
Public schools, to my knowledge, have long had that requirement for a background check in connection with teachers they hire. If you are employed by another entity and are just working at the school, you should show both the school and your employer your contract. As you obviously met the requirements for hiring, if they wish to add more things to it, they need to include that in the offer of a future contract at the end of your current contract. If they decide that means they're going to let you go, thank them for the Letter of Release (which you should have pre-prepared) and the 30 days pay in lieu.
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| My employers have asked me how to go about doing this - does it take 6 weeks? 3 months?? |
"Beats me. Let me know how long it took you to get the teacher you're replacing me with at the end of my year's employment. I'd like to know, too."
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| Public school principals want to know?? and they want the checks done fast... |
Suggest to the principal that he needs to contact the Office of Education to get that information.
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Helping my employer - we went about trying to find out how to do it...
The US and Canadian embassy were very helpful - but told us the "teacher" has to come in to the embassy - pay the fee and then it could be done.....
who should pay the fee? the teacher or the employer? |
If you do this, keep receipts and submit it to the school's financial officer for reimbursement.
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| Is there an easier way - and if you have done it before - how long does it take? |
The length of time, as well as the cost, depends on the jurisdiction from which you request the check.
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| it seems to me now - if you are male and single - everyone is chatting about you behind your back... |
Friend, in Korea, everyone is talking about you. You are, after all, a novelty, just like the rest of us foreigners here. |
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ldh2222
Joined: 12 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 1:26 am Post subject: |
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Well also, in regards to foreigners, I have no clue about Koreans, there are SO many more male teachers than female teachers in Korea.
In comparison, when I was growing up back in the States, all I remember were female teachers... |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 2:01 am Post subject: |
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| The various embassies do them? More info, plz. |
They do not do them and they will not get involved in the process.
For example, from the CANADIAN embassy:
http://www.dfait-maeci.gc.ca/world/embassies/korea/criminal-record-check-en-ko.asp
Canadian Criminal Record Check
To get a Canadian criminal record check from Korea, one should contact the RCMP Canada office in Ottawa for information and forms. One of the requirements is to have your fingerprints done in Korea, which can be done at a local police station. Once you get your fingerprints done, you will have to send it with your personal information to the RCMP office in Ottawa by mail or by courier. More information is available http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/crimrec/finger2_e.htm#Obtain.
The American Embassy site is similar.
You can expect waits of 3-6 MONTHS or more to get your record check back from the FBI, various state police services or the Canadian RCMP.
Typical knee jerk reaction that will cause a mountain of stress and amount to nothing when they are done - just like the most recent degree verification process.
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mrsquirrel
Joined: 13 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 2:12 am Post subject: |
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Does the British embassy do checks? anyone know?
usually its only the american embassy that offers a lot of nice efficient streamlined services. |
Nope they tell you to contact your local bobbies and submit a quick 10 quid background check.
Easy. |
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JongnoGuru
Joined: 25 May 2004
Location: peeing on your doorstep
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| Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 2:41 am Post subject: |
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No need for a witchhunt, nor the "3-6 MONTHS" criminal check, NOR for another Mr. Neil to slip through the cracks. All it takes is one, single, simple stroke of the legislative pen:
Henceforth, only female FTs can teach high school & under.
Discuss. Or flame. |
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chris_J2
Joined: 17 Apr 2006
Location: From Brisbane, Au.
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| Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 3:05 am Post subject: Police Checks |
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Yes. Just take your passport & ARC to the nearest Korean Police Station. A free police check report took me about 20 minutes, in September 2007, but I got lucky, & had an English speaking Korean passerby help me out with the form. The report came back with my clean 12-15 month record in Korea. Obviously, if it's your 1st day in Korea, this isn't applicable, & you'll need to get a police check in your home country. Any check will do. eg a Qld State check in Australia was around $60 Au, & an Australia wide check was around $220 Au.
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jongnoguro raised the question of only having female teachers for minors:
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Teacher's sex with student taped, say police
Babysitter allegedly arranged, filmed woman's liaison with 12-year-old boy
A 24-year-old first-year female teacher has been arrested on charges of molestation and indecent behavior with a 12-year-old male student � and police say they have a videotape to prove it.
Stephanie Giambelluca, 24, a former teacher at J.D. Meisler Middle School in Metairie, La., was taken into custody on Wednesday along with Ryan Mapes, 18.
According to the New Orleans Times-Picayune, police say that Mapes allowed the teacher to come to the home where he was babysitting the boy. She, allegedly, wanted to have sex with the student.
Prior to her arrival, Mapes set up a video camera in the living room. When she came to the boy's home, she and the student went into another room. No information has been released about any activities that occured there.
Afterwards, Giambelluca brought the boy back to the living room where Mapes gave him a Xanax tablet he had taken from the woman's purse. She disrobed to her underwear, performed a suggestive dance for the boy and performed oral sex on Mapes in front of him.
According to police statements, Mapes admitted to the sex acts. Bond has not been set for either of the two suspects.
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http://whatmenthinkofwomen.blogspot.com/2006/12/women-just-cannot-keep-their-hands-off.html
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Females account for 4% of those sexually abusing children under 18, a July 2000 Justice Department report found. The report says they account for 12% of those molesting kids younger than 6.
In the past 18 months, at least 25 cases nationwide involved female teachers molesting students, says Robert Shoop, a professor at Kansas State University and author of Sexual Exploitation in Schools: How to Spot It and Stop It.
In a U.S. Department of Education report released in June 2004, at least 20% of students reported sexual misconduct -- whether verbal or physical -- by a female teacher or aide.
"It is a big problem," says the report's author, Charol Shakeshaft, a professor at Hofstra University.
Shakeshaft says few schools train teachers in how to identify and handle it. Four former teachers this month have been charged with or sentenced for molesting teen boys: Kimberly Ann Cordrey-McKinney, Margaret De Barraicua, Sandra Geisel and Debra Lafave.
Teen boys are less likely to have sex with older women than teen girls with older men, but when they do so, the age gap tends to be larger, according to a report released in September by Child Trends, a non-profit research group.
At least three women sentenced or charged this year were pregnant or delivered babies: Clark, Tani Leigh Firkins and Rebecca Ann Boicelli. "These women are psychologically not much older than their victims," says Gartner. "They're attracted to kids they can handle. They're 14, too."
Shoop says men are more apt to be serial offenders while women typically focus on one child and go through a falling-in-love courtship. "They see this child as a significant other," he says, even if they have husbands or kids. He says they like the sense of power.
"The female sex offender has more social and sexual inadequacies" than other women, says Susan Strickland, a forensic social worker in Atlanta.
"They come from really weird, bizarre families where they don't get clarity about boundaries," she says. "They have issues relating to adult partners." She says female offenders, especially those molesting pre-pubescent kids, are more likely to have been sexually abused or otherwise traumatized as kids.
'I'm not the same boy'
Silvia Johnson, a 41-year-old Colorado woman sentenced this month to 30 years in prison for plying teen boys with alcohol and drugs and having sex with them, says she wanted to fit in with her daughter's friends.
"I think I fell in love with being part of the group," Johnson said in a police interview, "because that was never something I was part of, growing up. I was never in the popular group. Here I was considered the cool mom. Guys would flirt with me."
Gartner says victimized boys have trouble developing age-appropriate relationships. He says they are more likely as adults to suffer depression, anxiety, drug addiction and resort to pornography and one-night stands.
Boys themselves have described their pain in courtrooms. As underage sex victims, their names are withheld to protect their identities.
"I'm not the same boy. At school I became the center of attention. Everyone knew my name," said a 16-year-old boy in a letter read in court in Sacramento, Calif., this month. De Barraicua was sentenced to a year in jail for having sex with him. The boy's mother also wrote a letter saying he has been so traumatized "his hair is falling out."
The father of a boy molested in Colorado told the court that the offender, Silvia Johnson, "took away my best friend, my hunting buddy. I can't have him back now. He is gone."
Some boys defend the adults who molest them. The 15-year-old boy who married Clark says she never seduced him. "She's done a lot for me, you know," he told Atlanta TV station WGCL. "She's been good to me."
Yet his grandmother and legal guardian, Judy Hayles, is appalled. She told ABC her grandson is too young to get a driver's license, let alone become a father. Georgia law lets minors wed without parental consent if the bride is pregnant. Asked about Clark, she says, "My skin just crawls thinking about her."
While more women are getting attention for molesting children, their jail terms often are less than what men receive. Last week in Tampa, Lafave, 25, avoided jail time for molesting a 14-year-old student. She got three years of house arrest and seven years' probation.
With jail time, says Gartner, "we definitely still have a double standard." |
http://blogs.zmag.org/ee_links/incarceration
The above report is from the USA. I've also read cases of female teachers in Australia being sacked / fired, for underage relations with male students.
Conclusion? Not a good idea. Better to educate BOTH male & female teachers, that they are in a position of trust, & abuse of underage kids of either gender is totally unacceptable / illegal. I previously worked in a bank. Did I help myself to large sums of cash? No. I was responsible.
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lastat06513
Joined: 18 Mar 2003
Location: Sensus amo Caesar , etiamnunc victus amo uni plebian
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| Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 3:32 am Post subject: |
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I think a police check will become more standard (or should be) by the time I arrive back in Korea.
So like the sealed transcript requirement, how many "sealed police records checks" should someone bring with them to Korea when they arrive? If the procedures are anything like other record keeping for foreigners, a fresh original document would be required for every time a person applies for a new job, which would be a hassle. |
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spliff
Joined: 19 Jan 2004
Location: Khon Kaen, Thailand
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| Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 3:41 am Post subject: |
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| ^ Can you verify that? |
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lastat06513
Joined: 18 Mar 2003
Location: Sensus amo Caesar , etiamnunc victus amo uni plebian
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| Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 3:48 am Post subject: |
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| ^ Can you verify that? |
Can I verify "what"? |
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crusher_of_heads
Joined: 23 Feb 2007
Location: kimbop and kimchi for kimberly!!!!
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| Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 3:51 am Post subject: |
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| Maybe I was the only one doing this but I noticed that whenever I saw a western male at a crosswalk, I would categorize them as "friendly" or "perverted". |
When I am at a crosswalk and see a Korean male, I wonder whom did he punch in the face last, his kid or his wife? |
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Barking Mad Lord Snapcase
Joined: 04 Nov 2003
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| Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 4:30 am Post subject: |
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| I think being interrogated about why you are not married is plain stupid. Are they making the assumption that because your not married that you are a gay deviant? (I'm not saying you are, just that their questioning kind of implies such a thing). |
It sounds like there are those who expect us to follow Korean tradition in our own countries, simply because they could not imagine anything else. Viewing the entire world through the distorting prism of the Confucian hierarchy will yield some unexpected side effects - especially when the lens is redirected at Korea itself. After all, what is Korea's place on the world hierarchy? |
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