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tomato



Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.

PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 1:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

adventureman wrote:
That's a pretty funny depiction of Korean xenophobia Tomato


Thanks.
Julius and Pete JB, thanks.

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did you do the drawings yourself?


I only wish.
I had to Google search.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 3:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It's easy for us to idealize our home countries and say, this or that thing stupid thing would never happen back there, but the truth is that either it does or there are other stupid things they do that don't happen in Korea.


Good point hater depot.

You could also say that it is far too easy to then demonize our host country as it then stands next to an utopic home country that we have built up in our heads as a memory....

Those two things seem to go hand in hand.....

As for the topic at hand...I will say again: learning any new language is always a plus. It teaches you to see things from different angles, can give you access to a whole new field of litterature and can make living abroad a far, far richer experience. But, that is just my way of seeing things. I also like learning new languages and have an ease in doing so...I can understand it could be difficult for some. But still, a new language is never useless unless you do nothing with it and convince yourself it is indeed useless.

Learning Korean can open many, many doors professionally and personally. This applies living here or back in your home country if you have the right education and know where to look.

For example the Foreign Affairs Department of the Federal Government of Canada just completed a recruitment campaign where they looked for people with certain linguistic profiles.

They identified 4 key languages that would put an applicant on the priority list: Chinese, Japanese, Arabic (a precise dialect however) and Korean. People with that linguistic profile and the proper academic background (Political Science, History, Business and so on) would be put on the priority interview list. These were permanent position with full benefits.

I know of at least 5 people in Canada who are former teachers here and who found jobs in the private sector because of their Korean language skills. One of them works with me often as a consultant with various Canadian companies doing business here.

You just have to open your eyes a bit I think...but that is simply my expeirences and opinion.......


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hari seldon



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 3:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When Barry Farber, famous polyglot and author of How to Learn Any Language, was asked, What�s the hardest language you've ever attacked? He replied,
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For two different reasons, Finnish and Korean. Finnish because of the complexity of the grammar � a lot of people bloody their noses against the six noun cases in Latin/Russian, seven in Serbo-Croatian, you have 15 noun cases in the singular and 16 in the plural. I like to joke that I was in my hotel room in Helsinki for five days trying to learn enough to get downstairs.

Korean has a different kind of difficulty. There are some languages � we should invent a catchy phrase for this; the repeat/rely index, that�ll work for now � if you learn a word in Italian and say it to an Italian person, the Italian will immediately understand. If you learn a word in Indonesian, the Indonesian will immediately understand. There�s good repeat/rely there. If you learn a word in Korean, the Korean�s eyes will glaze over; he�ll be hopelessly confused. Then you say the word again, and you say it louder, and he still won�t understand. Then you show him the word and he�ll say �ah!� and he�ll repeat to you exactly what you�ve been saying, at least to your ears. That happens a lot in Mandarin, and it happens all the time in Korean.
http://www.meadowparty.com/farber.html

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 3:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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That happens a lot in Mandarin, and it happens all the time in Korean.


True and good example.

My brother tells me it happens all the time in Japanese as well. He has been living in Japan for years and is married to a japanese woman. He is fluent in Japanese (passed the national test and it was is major in University)....he still gets the confused reply sometimes! Laughing
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tomato



Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.

PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 3:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you for the good news, Hari.
It's comforting to know that the difficulty is at the language's fault and not mine.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 4:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It's comforting to know that the difficulty is at the language's fault and not mine.


Tomato...the language does bear a lot of the responsibility but any learner of a leanguage also has his/her fair share of fault/responsibility....it is not a white wash.
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Cheonmunka



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 4:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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and it was is major in University

Thank you, Homer.
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tomato



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 5:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Homer, have I been an irresponsible language student?
I'm sorry.
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tomato



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 10:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Homer, have I been an irresponsible language student?


That is not what I was saying at all Tomato.....good lord...

If you felt offended....my apologies.

Cheonmunka,

You re weltcome
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tomato



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Professor 선생님 arrived at the 영어책나라 airport with the Miriam Ferguson Society English class. After going through baggage claim and customs, the professor and students boarded the shuttle bus and rode to the hotel, all the time happily talking about the exciting plane ride which they enjoyed and the exciting adventure which was in store for them.

The group disembarked at the hotel and checked in. They all practiced their hello's and thank you's on the hotel personnel.

After unpacking their suitcases, the class ventured to the park across the street. They met some friendly people who were enjoying a leisurely afternoon. Professor 선 stood in front of the class and said, "한 둘 셋 넷 . . .�



The English students and their friendly new acquaintances all introduced themselves. In response to the song, one of the new friends clasped her hands and said, "Oh, it is so much fun to learn new songs!" The group sang the song one more time, this time with their new friends joining in.

The visitors and their new acquaintances gathered around, some of them standing, some of them sitting on the grass, and some of them sitting on park benches. The class asked their new friends what food they liked. This precipitated a flurry of questions and answers. "Do you like pizza?" "Yes, I like pizza. Do you like hamburgers?" "Yes, I like hamburgers." "Me, too."

Miss 간호사 tried to start a conversation on the Four Food Groups, but had little luck. When no one was looking, she sneaked out and returned to the hotel.

One individual said, "What food do you eat in Korea?" One of the MFS members told the new friends about kimchi. One person clasped his hands and said, "Oh, I find it so interesting to learn about food from different countries!" Another person said, "Me, too."

Someone said, "All this talk about food made me hungry." Someone else said, "Me, too."

So they all took a walk to the nearest restaurant. Here the new friends saw still more people they knew. Professor 선 stood in front of the group and said, "시작 . . .�



They drew several tables together and immediately began chattering about brothers, sisters, aunts, and uncles. The waiter came to the table and the MSF members all practiced their English on the waiter.

음악자 spoke up. "I just noticed something: on measure 4, a dominant seventh chord on the tonic would sound nice, because it can be resolved to a subdominant chord on measure 5." Most of the people at the table frowned and said, "Huh?"

음악가 explained, "In the song we were just singing. If we had a piano, I could show you." This triggered a conversation of, "Do you play the piano?" "Yes, I play the piano. Do you play the violin?" "Oh, the violin is such a beautiful instrument! I just love the violin!" "Me, too."

음악가 got up from the table. "Could someone please cancel my order? I'm afraid I'd better turn in early tonight. It's--uh--the jet lag has gotten to me."

After dinner, the class received an invitation to a party that evening. A few hours later, the professor and the class, minus 간호사 and 음악가, boarded a taxi. They relished in their opportunity to practice English on the taxi driver.

The professor and students arrived at the party host's house and rang the doorbell. When the door opened, they saw people they recognized and people they didn't recognize. And that is very good, because you should make new friends and keep the old. One is silver and the other is gold.

The visitors were invited in. Professor 선 stood in front of the group and said, "One, two, three . . ."



After the usual pleasantries, several conversations started. While holding their punch glasses and cookies, everyone clustered into groups and said, "I have blue eyes. Suzie has brown eyes." "You have brown hair. We both have brown hair." "I have two hands. I have two feet." "Me, too."

Mr. 김음란 asked, "Aren't you forgetting something?"

The hum of conversation stopped. Everyone looked at Mr. 김 with a puzzled frown. "Like what?" one of them said. 김 timidly explained with a hand gesture.
That only increased the puzzlement. 김 said, "Come on, now. I know you have something right here." 김 made the gesture again.

Someone said, "Like what?" A few party guests pulled down their pants,hoping for an explanation. Sure enough, there was nothing there.

An MFS member, who was as puzzled as anyone else, asked, "How do you have sex?"

Another voice asked, "Sex? What's that?"

Another MFS member tried another approach. "How do you reproduce?"

Came another answer. "Reproduce? Oh--we don't have to. We are created by the English textbook authors."

Professor 선 edged toward the door. "We really must be going."

The students quickly followed suit. The entire group left the party, heedless of pleadings of "But you just got here!" "The night is just a pup!"

The following year, the class took a field trip to the inner city ghetto.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hari seldon wrote:
When Barry Farber, famous polyglot and author of How to Learn Any Language, was asked, What�s the hardest language you've ever attacked? He replied,
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For two different reasons, Finnish and Korean. Finnish because of the complexity of the grammar � a lot of people bloody their noses against the six noun cases in Latin/Russian, seven in Serbo-Croatian, you have 15 noun cases in the singular and 16 in the plural. I like to joke that I was in my hotel room in Helsinki for five days trying to learn enough to get downstairs.

Korean has a different kind of difficulty. There are some languages � we should invent a catchy phrase for this; the repeat/rely index, that�ll work for now � if you learn a word in Italian and say it to an Italian person, the Italian will immediately understand. If you learn a word in Indonesian, the Indonesian will immediately understand. There�s good repeat/rely there. If you learn a word in Korean, the Korean�s eyes will glaze over; he�ll be hopelessly confused. Then you say the word again, and you say it louder, and he still won�t understand. Then you show him the word and he�ll say �ah!� and he�ll repeat to you exactly what you�ve been saying, at least to your ears. That happens a lot in Mandarin, and it happens all the time in Korean.
http://www.meadowparty.com/farber.html


I'm going to take a wild guess and say this eyes-glazing-over problem we're all familiar with *doesn't* happen, or at least not nearly so often, with other Asians.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 7:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hari seldon wrote:

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For two different reasons, Finnish and Korean. Finnish because of the complexity of the grammar – a lot of people bloody their noses against the six noun cases in Latin/Russian, seven in Serbo-Croatian, you have 15 noun cases in the singular and 16 in the plural. I like to joke that I was in my hotel room in Helsinki for five days trying to learn enough to get downstairs.

Korean has a different kind of difficulty. There are some languages – we should invent a catchy phrase for this; the repeat/rely index, that’ll work for now – if you learn a word in Italian and say it to an Italian person, the Italian will immediately understand. If you learn a word in Indonesian, the Indonesian will immediately understand. There’s good repeat/rely there. If you learn a word in Korean, the Korean’s eyes will glaze over; he’ll be hopelessly confused. Then you say the word again, and you say it louder, and he still won’t understand. Then you show him the word and he’ll say “ah!” and he’ll repeat to you exactly what you’ve been saying, at least to your ears. That happens a lot in Mandarin, and it happens all the time in Korean.


Wow. I try to blame myself on the times this has happened, but it's nice to see that someone who makes a living from this can give me a little validation. I feel especially bad for the gf... she'll say the word four times and get nothing and I'll say it once and he'll nod and perform whatever service we were asking for.
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