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Has the Neil incident affected you? Male only.
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Has the Neil Incident affected you personally; ie has anyone made any comment to you, asked you to do something extra, spread rumors about you, etc.?
Yes
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No
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 80%  [ 61 ]
Maybe
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 10%  [ 8 ]
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pest2



Joined: 01 Jun 2005
Location: Vancouver, Canada

PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 4:15 pm    Post subject: Has the Neil incident affected you? Male only. Reply with quote

For me, while Koreans -- especially men -- seem to look as xenophobic, invasive, and untrusting as ever when I am in public, I cant say it has affected me (yet).
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spliff



Joined: 19 Jan 2004
Location: Khon Kaen, Thailand

PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 4:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not a bit...why would it?
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pest2



Joined: 01 Jun 2005
Location: Vancouver, Canada

PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 4:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some, for example, complain that they are being required to submit criminal background checks. Others are saying people are talking behind their backs. Bosses asking teachers why they became ESL teachers at just this moment. Stuff like that.
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Hollywoodaction



Joined: 02 Jul 2004

PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would say the vast majority of people would answer 'no'.
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jaganath69



Joined: 17 Jul 2003

PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 4:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can't say it has. Only person who I have discussed it with (Korean) is a university-aged friend of mine, and I brought it up.
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itaewonguy



Joined: 25 Mar 2003

PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 4:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

if any koreans mentions it to me.. I will remind him of the korean psycho who went into a kindergarten and slaughted more than 10 children with a axe! left a blood bath in there..
or the korean guy who chopped up the 4 year old boy living next door and keep his body parts in the fridge!
or maybe Ill mention the story of the child abusers who have kidnapped and kept prisoner in their homes and have pimped little girls out to their friends... I can usually shut a korean up in a matter of minutes if he tries to make foreigners look bad and koreans superior...

their are sickos everywhere.. and plenty of KOREANS in American who have committed serious crimes.. do I need to mention Virgina tech..
conversation ends now..

also there is no proof that Neil did any abuse here.. he might have saved it for his trips to cambodia, or thailand.. he probably knew this is not the place for his sick urges.. so never even tried it..
but VIRGINA TEC WAS REAL!!
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BRawk



Joined: 14 Oct 2007

PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 4:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I first came here three years ago, I was a superstar. People stopped me on the street to say hello to me all the time. Anything I did, playing a video game, volleyball on the beach, a few swings in the bating cage, turned into a spectator sport. People ate it up and I was by no means awesome at any of these activities. I loved it.

Over the last few years I have noticed a decline in my star appeal and an increasing level of resentment. I think resentment towards English teachers in general has been on the rise. Has anyone else noticed this?

That being said, I have still recieved a steady stream of "hello"s and have witnessed many a parent and grandparent push thier children to go and talk to me. Since this Neil incident, I haven't had any parent push thier child to talk to me and have recieved a lot of concerned looks fom parents (ie walking through E-mart.) Has anyone else noticed this?
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RACETRAITOR



Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea

PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 4:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

itaewonguy wrote:
if any koreans mentions it to me.. I will remind him of the korean psycho who went into a kindergarten and slaughted more than 10 children with a axe! left a blood bath in there..
or the korean guy who chopped up the 4 year old boy living next door and keep his body parts in the fridge!
or maybe Ill mention the story of the child abusers who have kidnapped and kept prisoner in their homes and have pimped little girls out to their friends... I can usually shut a korean up in a matter of minutes if he tries to make foreigners look bad and koreans superior...


If I'm in that situation I'll try not to look like a douche.
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 4:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

At this point, it's 6-0. Criminal checks have been going on for a while now, so it would be hard to say how much affect this newest incident will have on future checks.

From what I can tell, PJ was into buying sex with young boys. I've never heard of that in Korea, but maybe the pay-for-sex crowd here can fill us in on the details of that. It doesn't seem to be a big business here, like it is in SE Asia.

I do expect a criminal background check will soon become routine when applying for a job. I see nothing wrong with that. It's a legitimate precaution. Will it catch everyone? No, but that's no reason not to do it. It could at least reduce the incidence and that's all to the good.
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Hollywoodaction



Joined: 02 Jul 2004

PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 4:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BRawk wrote:
When I first came here three years ago, I was a superstar. People stopped me on the street to say hello to me all the time. Anything I did, playing a video game, volleyball on the beach, a few swings in the bating cage, turned into a spectator sport. People ate it up and I was by no means awesome at any of these activities. I loved it.

Over the last few years I have noticed a decline in my star appeal and an increasing level of resentment. I think resentment towards English teachers in general has been on the rise. Has anyone else noticed this?

That being said, I have still recieved a steady stream of "hello"s and have witnessed many a parent and grandparent push thier children to go and talk to me. Since this Neil incident, I haven't had any parent push thier child to talk to me and have recieved a lot of concerned looks fom parents (ie walking through E-mart.) Has anyone else noticed this?


Yes, because the novelty of seeing you has worn out. The resentment is all in your head.
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pest2



Joined: 01 Jun 2005
Location: Vancouver, Canada

PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 4:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I feel that way too.... like, generally, English teachers are less popular than they were a couple of years ago. But, it could just be that I've gotten to know more Koreans/about Koreans in that time to see the truth more clearly, too...
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SPINOZA



Joined: 10 Jun 2005
Location: $eoul

PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyone who tries funny stuff with me had better put a lid on it. I'll have their parents' sliced and diced bodies delivered to them the following day.
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Young FRANKenstein



Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)

PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 6:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Has the Neil incident affected you? Male only. Reply with quote

pest2 wrote:
For me, while Koreans seem to look as xenophobic, invasive, and untrusting as ever when I am in public, I cant say it has affected me (yet).

Rumours and outright lies have been spread about me well before assface came along. Same usual suspects still doing it, too.
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BRawk



Joined: 14 Oct 2007

PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hollywoodaction wrote:
Yes, because the novelty of seeing you has worn out. The resentment is all in your head.


I agree that the novelty of English teachers has worn off.

However, I disagree that it is all in my head.

If I were just to infer everything from looks I got from people then this might be the case. But I have spoken with many people who have vocalized thier resentment to me. For example, some people believe now that English teachers are here for the money (or worse because they are unable to work in thier own country) as opposed to here for the love of teaching.

I think, like you have suggested, the novelty has worn off and in turn many Koreans are beginning to wonder exactly what kind of people Korean teachers are. What they are told by the media is primarily what they use to form thier opinions.
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tzechuk



Joined: 20 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 6:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder how it is affecting recruitment agencies, though.

Do you think the bosses have put a stop on hiring Canadian white male or is it business as usual?
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