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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
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 Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 5:12 am Post subject: Warrants Issued In CIA-Orchestrated Kidnapping |
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Warrants Issued In Germany Kidnapping
By DAVID RISING, Associated Press Writer
BERLIN - Arrest warrants were issued for 13 people in connection with the alleged CIA-orchestrated kidnapping of a German citizen in the agency's extraordinary rendition program, a Munich prosecutor said Wednesday.
CONT'D ...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070131/ap_on_re_eu/germany_cia_kidnapping ... etc ... |
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igotthisguitar
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| Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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US Lawmakers Apologize In Torture Case
By DEVLIN BARRETT, Associated Press Writer
Thu Oct 18, 6:14 PM ET
WASHINGTON - Members of Congress apologized Thursday to a Canadian engineer seized by U.S. officials and taken to Syria, where he was tortured.
Maher Arar said he was ensnared in an "immoral" terrorism-fighting program known as extraordinary rendition.
The 37-year-old appeared before a joint hearing of House subcommittees by video from Ottawa, Canada.
He remains on a U.S. government "watch" list.
"Let me personally give you what our government has not: an apology," said Rep. Bill Delahunt, D-Mass., as he opened the hearing. "Let me apologize to you and the Canadian people for our government's role in ... a mistake."
Arar said he was grateful for the apologies, but hoped the Bush administration would do so, too 
"Let me be clear: I am not a terrorist, I am not a member of al-Qaida or any terror group. I am a father, a husband, and an engineer. I am also a victim of the immoral practice of extraordinary rendition," he said.
Arar said he was thrown in a tiny cell and tortured into falsely confessing that he had trained at a terrorist camp in Afghanistan.
"Life in that cell was hell. I spent 10 months and 10 days in that grave," he said.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/torture_rendition;_ylt=AvnScnXXhssnQZLz8plDXzMDW7oF |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 4:46 am Post subject: |
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| IF only the US had kidnapped Khomeni when he was in France. and then thrown him in a secret prision somewhere never to be heard from again. |
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igotthisguitar
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| Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 5:54 pm Post subject: |
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If if if ... ???
What of these two REAL cases Joo?
What pro-CIA spin can you offer on these? We're waiting.
Know of any other rendition / kidnapping cases where these criminal thugs have clearly overstepped the line? Have any others been in the news?
What of Guantanamo? Have they actually FOUND any of the 911 conspirators yet? Has it been shut down?
Yes, detainees CAN speak to their lawyers, no ... they can't 
btw - How does the old line "but i was only following orders" work as a legal defense these days? |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 6:37 pm Post subject: |
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| igotthisguitar wrote: |
If if if ... ???
What of these two REAL cases Joo?
What pro-CIA spin can you offer on these? We're waiting.
Know of any other rendition / kidnapping cases where these criminal thugs have clearly overstepped the line? Have any others been in the news?
What of Guantanamo? Have they actually FOUND any of the 911 conspirators yet? Has it been shut down?
Yes, detainees CAN speak to their lawyers, no ... they can't
btw - How does the old line "but i was only following orders" work as a legal defense these days? |
I know they got this guy in Italy.
Of course the US needs to take care to protect innocents.
Gitmo is where Al Qaeda supporters caught in Afghanistan are.
The trials would have already started except for objections to miltary trials.
But anyone the US justice system can't handle Al Qaeda. So most of what the US has been doing is ok.
The Patriot act doesn't go far enough.
Also keep Jeff Rense supporters from getting US visas. |
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Bibbitybop
Joined: 22 Feb 2006
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| Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 5:14 am Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
The trials would have already started except for objections to miltary trials.
But anyone the US justice system can't handle Al Qaeda. So most of what the US has been doing is ok.
The Patriot act doesn't go far enough.
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I think the term is military tribunals, not trials.
And the Patriot Act is screwed for what it's done to American citizens. If the act should go further, it needs to focus on non-citizens. It is already being abused by law enforcement and being used against citizens not in the scope of it's intended purpose. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 5:50 am Post subject: |
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| I think the Patriot act isn't perfect but it is the way to go. |
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Harpeau
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| Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 5:59 am Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| I think the Patriot act isn't perfect but it is the way to go. |
Yeah, just wait until it comes back and bites your ass, Joo! |
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catman
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| Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 1:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| IF only the US had kidnapped Khomeni when he was in France. and then thrown him in a secret prision somewhere never to be heard from again. |
Then some other religious nut would have lead the revolution.
Here is another big "IF". If only the US (and Britain) had not overthrown the democratic government in Iran in 1953.......
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Gitmo is where Al Qaeda supporters caught in Afghanistan are.
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Not all of them. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 5:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Harpeau wrote: |
| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| I think the Patriot act isn't perfect but it is the way to go. |
Yeah, just wait until it comes back and bites your ass, Joo! |
Enabling Act of 1933
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enabling_Act_of_1933
In Germany, they came first for the Communists, And I didn�t speak up because I wasn�t a Communist;
And then they came for the trade unionists, And I didn�t speak up because I wasn�t a trade unionist;
And then they came for the Jeff Rense supporters, And I didn�t speak up because I wasn�t a Jew;
And then . . . they came for me . . . And by that time there was no one left to speak up."
Pastor Martin Niem�ller (1892�1984) |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Harpeau wrote: |
| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| I think the Patriot act isn't perfect but it is the way to go. |
Yeah, just wait until it comes back and bites your ass, Joo! |
How has it affected you? |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 6:15 pm Post subject: |
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| igotthisguitar wrote: |
| Harpeau wrote: |
| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| I think the Patriot act isn't perfect but it is the way to go. |
Yeah, just wait until it comes back and bites your ass, Joo! |
Enabling Act of 1933
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enabling_Act_of_1933
In Germany, they came first for the Communists, And I didn�t speak up because I wasn�t a Communist;
And then they came for the trade unionists, And I didn�t speak up because I wasn�t a trade unionist;
And then they came for the Jeff Rense supporters, And I didn�t speak up because I wasn�t a Jew;
And then . . . they came for me . . . And by that time there was no one left to speak up."
Pastor Martin Niem�ller (1892�1984) |
No Jeff Rense are a waste of O2 like you you neo nazi.
Keep Jeff Rense supporters out of the US.
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| IF only the US had kidnapped Khomeni when he was in France. and then thrown him in a secret prision somewhere never to be heard from again. |
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| Then some other religious nut would have lead the revolution. |
probably not.
Khomeni was more capable than others. Others didn't have his standing and /or they weren't as ruthless.
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Here is another big "IF". If only the US (and Britain) had not overthrown the democratic government in Iran in 1953....... |
You are correct that was a big mess up.
The US messed more than a few times during the cold war . Nevertheless it was the right thing to do.
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Gitmo is where Al Qaeda supporters caught in Afghanistan are.
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Not all of them.[/quote] |
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Hollywoodaction
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| Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 2:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Obviously, the US government has far better relations with Syria than they want us to believe if they send people to be tortured there. |
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